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Offline ninetwosix

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Spots in dough
« on: January 21, 2011, 07:22:41 PM »
I made some dough monday afternoon and it says been sitting in a air tight container.  I opened it up today and noticed black dots on the surface of the dough.  The underneath of the dough is fine.  Is that something to be concerned of?


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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2011, 07:35:47 PM »
I made some dough monday afternoon and it says been sitting in a air tight container.  I opened it up today and noticed black dots on the surface of the dough.  The underneath of the dough is fine.  Is that something to be concerned of?

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No, you shouldn't be concerned. I have written on this subject before in the thread at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3985.msg33251.html#msg33251, including at Reply 29 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3985.msg36081.html#msg36081, but see, also, Tom Lehmann's PMQ Think Tank post at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9214&p=67142&hilit=#p67142.

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 08:41:47 PM »
unless the dough grows mold or smells funny, it's fine.
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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 09:01:56 PM »
I believe I read somewhere that they were just dead yeast cells, probably of no concern. Can anyone verify this?

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 09:52:17 PM »
I also got dark spots at different times as can be seen at Reply 114 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,11475.msg106153.html#msg106153 and
Reply 248 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3985.msg85966.html#msg85966

I also had other spotting, but the baked pizzas were always fine.  I donít know if higher gluten flours does contribute to spotting or not.

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 10:11:54 PM »
I addressed this subject in some depth in Reply 78 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3985.msg41385.html#msg41385. As I noted in that post, the spotting that I experienced was when I was using KASL flour, not weaker flours. I subsequently conducted an experiment, described at Reply 118 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3985.msg42774.html#msg42774, in which I made a dough that fermented in a sealed storage bag in an anerobic environment. After 15 days, when I decided to use the dough, there was no spotting. This experiment led me to believe that oxygen is involved in the creation of the spotting. There is still some mystery surrounding the subject. Even Tom Lehmann, in the PMQTT post referenced earlier at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9214&p=67142&hilit=#p67142, covered all bases by his answer:

There are a number of things that can result in those black spots, reduced iron particles (iron in the enrichment blend in the flour "enriched flour"), or they may also be due to yeast agglomerates, possibly due to use of ady that has not been pre-hydrated, you can discount this if you are pre-hydrating the ADY. It can also be a reaction with the bran particles in the flour too.

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 10:35:32 PM »


There is still some mystery surrounding the subject.

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Peter,

I also think there is some mystery about spotting in dough.  When I tried out the 25 day cold ferment of the milk kefir dough, which was in a sealed container with KASL, I didnít get any spotting. At reply 218 is where my 25 day old milk kefir Lehmann dough didnít have any spotting. http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,12173.msg120993.html#msg120993  I will have to conduct an experiment sometime with the same dough with a hole in the container and see what happens with that experiment.

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 11:26:47 AM »
There is another, more recent, thread on this subject at the PMQ Think Tank at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9981&p=68665&hilit=#p68331.

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 11:06:39 PM »
I just posted a question about this in my introduction.  Then reading about the advanced search I gave that a try and got here, problem solved.  Thanks for the link. 

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Re: Spots in dough
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 04:27:41 PM »
Sorry to bring up an old thread but I was searching for threads on the phenomenon after seeing the same on my 5 day cold fermented papa johns clone dough in my fridge today.  When I noticed it I was quite happy - why?  The only other time I have seen this was a couple of weeks back when I was looking through the window into the kitchen at my local PJ's whilst waiting for a pizza - exact same thing, little black speckles all over the dough balls.  It had me wondering if there was some other additive in there ..... looked a little like black pepper but I knew that couldn't be the case.  This is the only dough I've made so far with the spots and the only difference to my other attempts is that I sprinkled the yeast over the dough half way through mixing as advised in Petes recipe.  This leads me to believe that the black spots are the result of the yeast not being dissolved in water or adequately dispersed early on in the mixing phase leaving "undissolved" specs of yeast fermenting in the dough .... it also makes me think that this must be the same method PJ uses (at least in the UK) due to the same visible effect on their doughs ...... just my two cents worth anyway :)