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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #400 on: September 16, 2011, 07:40:47 PM »
Got two cans instead of one. $6.50 for both.

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« Reply #401 on: September 16, 2011, 09:51:13 PM »
Mike,

Thats a great deal! Do these cans have skins or no skins?I could not remember.Thanks.
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« Reply #402 on: September 16, 2011, 10:36:30 PM »
Mike,

Thats a great deal! Do these cans have skins or no skins?I could not remember.Thanks.
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Bill,

Not sure what you mean by 'skins'. Are you talking about the inside coating?
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #403 on: September 16, 2011, 11:00:14 PM »

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #404 on: September 16, 2011, 11:16:49 PM »
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #405 on: September 16, 2011, 11:25:06 PM »
Boy, I feel like an idiot now  ;D



Me too...
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I have the website saved and bookmarked,just did not recall off the top of my head if they had the tomato skins or not.

I have used the 6 in 1's ground unpeeled that had the skins,but never tried the 7/11's yet.

On a pizza,one might never notice the small pieces of tomato skins,but tasting the stuff out of the can,you are going to get them stuck on your tongue or feel them in your mouth at times.

I have wanted to try a can of peeled ground tomatoes but have not ordered one yet.

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #406 on: September 17, 2011, 12:42:19 PM »
Me too...
 ;D

I have the website saved and bookmarked,just did not recall off the top of my head if they had the tomato skins or not.

I have used the 6 in 1's ground unpeeled that had the skins,but never tried the 7/11's yet.

On a pizza,one might never notice the small pieces of tomato skins,but tasting the stuff out of the can,you are going to get them stuck on your tongue or feel them in your mouth at times.

I have wanted to try a can of peeled ground tomatoes but have not ordered one yet.

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Bill,

I guess it's what they call a brain fart! It happens  ;D
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #407 on: September 17, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »
Last night I gave the Luigi #1 clone another test run with a 64% hydration. It turned out very nice.

24hr cold ferment, 64% hydration and a 7-minute bake time...not bad. The crust, though, was still a tad too think. Maybe I need to learn how to spin the dough for an evenly thin crust. Right now, I have spots that are thicker than others.

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #408 on: September 17, 2011, 01:16:15 PM »
Last night I gave the Luigi #1 clone another test run with a 64% hydration. It turned out very nice.

24hr cold ferment, 64% hydration and a 7-minute bake time...not bad. The crust, though, was still a tad too think. Maybe I need to learn how to spin the dough for an evenly thin crust. Right now, I have spots that are thicker than others.



Mike,

Your Luigi’s #1 formula attempt turned out very nice!  :) How did your crust taste after a 24 hr. ferment?  Did you use the 7/11 ground tomatoes on this attempt?

I sure wish I could taste a slice of your Luigi’s attempt. 

Norma


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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #409 on: September 17, 2011, 02:15:01 PM »
Mike,

Your Luigi’s #1 formula attempt turned out very nice!  :) How did your crust taste after a 24 hr. ferment?  Did you use the 7/11 ground tomatoes on this attempt?

I sure wish I could taste a slice of your Luigi’s attempt.  

Norma

Norma,

Taste-wise the crust was okay. I didn't attempt a longer fermentation because of the yeast amount. I think the Luigi #3 formula is a better candidate for a prolonged fermentation period.

I have not yet used the 7/11 tomatoes. I ran out of fresh basil and therefor didn't want to open a can if I don't have all the ingredients at hand. I'll get them today and make the sauce tonight.

My goal is to come close to this Luigi pie:

http://5-ds.blogspot.com/2008/07/pizzeria-luigi.html
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #410 on: September 17, 2011, 03:57:02 PM »
Mike,

Remember that the reason for the smaller percent of yeast in Luigi #2 and Luigi #3 is because they were based on different weights of flour. If you want to use, say, Luigi #3, to get a longer cold fermentation, you will want to boost the amount of salt and sugar to the percents shown in Luigi #1. Otherwise, the crust may be too bland.

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #411 on: September 17, 2011, 04:10:21 PM »
Mike,

Remember that the reason for the smaller percent of yeast in Luigi #2 and Luigi #3 is because they were based on different weights of flour. If you want to use, say, Luigi #3, to get a longer cold fermentation, you will want to boost the amount of salt and sugar to the percents shown in Luigi #1. Otherwise, the crust may be too bland.

Peter

Peter,

Thanks for the tip.

The more I work with those formulas the more I think that, in order to come close to Luigi's crust in a home oven, the 65% hydration might be the way to go. Even though my previous dough felt very sluggish and sticky at 65%, it was very easy to handle after the fermentation period. No sluggishness or stickiness whatsoever.

Maybe sifting the flour and giving it a rest period after the first couple of minutes of mixing so that the flour can absorb the water might make things a bit easier.
Mike

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #412 on: September 17, 2011, 04:38:26 PM »
Your latest are looking really good Mike. You seem to be damn close to the photo's that are your goal......

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #413 on: September 17, 2011, 10:45:57 PM »
Mike,
Those pics look better than many of those I have seen online.Nice work!
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #414 on: September 18, 2011, 01:28:55 AM »
Got two cans instead of one. $6.50 for both.



Mike, I love the label on the can.  The guy on the label is great!

I have to say Mike, when I look at the picture of the pizza you made it makes me super crave pizza at this moment.  That's a great looking pie, Mike.  Great work.

I wish we had the technology to print out the picture and the picture will turn into a pizza.  We are not quite there yet are we but Back To The Future, Part II has something close -



Don't think we can reverse engineer this one though!   :chef: :pizza:
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #415 on: September 18, 2011, 01:35:48 PM »
I mixed the Luigi’s #2 dough formula this morning, that I posted the formula at Reply 394 (with corrected grams of ADM Gigantic flour).  http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,14928.msg153311.html#msg153311
   
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #416 on: September 18, 2011, 02:06:51 PM »
Para & Bill...

Thanks, guys. I think we're inching toward the original. Slowly but steady  ;D

Mike, I love the label on the can.  The guy on the label is great!


PE101,

When I first saw the guy I thought he looks half drunk and half stoned.  :)

The tomatoes are great, though. They are a bit more liquid then the 6-in-1s I have used so far and there's no need to add water to them. The consistency is the exact same as in the Luigi video...

Here's a very short clip of the still unseasoned tomatoes:

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #417 on: September 19, 2011, 03:27:13 PM »
I gave the Luigi clone #4 a test run and combined it with a 48-hour individual cold rise.

For that, I raised the salt level to 1.5% but lowered the hydration to 63%. The rest was kept the same.

Flour (100%):
Water (63%):
ADY (.35412%):
Salt (1.5%):
Sugar (0.11464%):
Total (164.96876%):
Single Ball:
523.92 g  |  18.48 oz | 1.16 lbs
330.07 g  |  11.64 oz | 0.73 lbs
1.86 g | 0.07 oz | 0 lbs | 0.49 tsp | 0.16 tbsp
7.86 g | 0.28 oz | 0.02 lbs | 1.41 tsp | 0.47 tbsp
0.6 g | 0.02 oz | 0 lbs | 0.15 tsp | 0.05 tbsp
864.3 g | 30.49 oz | 1.91 lbs | TF = N/A
432.15 g | 15.24 oz | 0.95 lbs

Bowl residue was 0.5%

The crust turned out much chewier and crunchier but had much better flavor compared to a 24-hr cold rise. Those two pies were given away to my testers and both said that the crust was a bit too chewy, especially the rim. Both said, however, that the flavor and texture was better and the crust held up nicely to the weight of the toppings without loosing that little flop at the tip.

Now the sauce...both parties, 4 eaters total, were impressed with the sauce and thought it was an exceptionally well balanced concoction, so Kudos to Peter for figuring out the numbers and to Luigi for coming up with this! The 7/11 tomatoes seemed to make a big difference regarding the texture and flavor of the sauce. Lo and behold, the comments also included the word 'sweet'

The first pie was an all veggie, basically a modified Luigi 'Michelangelo' pie, with added onions, artichoke hearts, ricotta cheese and fresh garlic but no tomato slices.

The second one was a 'Mona Lisa/Capone' hybrid per request. The meatballs were homemade yesterday and baked together with the Italian sausage in the oven at 375°F for about 20 minutes. The meat toppings of the hybrid pies was pepperoni, Italian sausage and meatballs (sliced & ground). My testers enjoyed the meatballs in particular, which was a recipe from the Johnsonville Sausage Company http://www.johnsonville.com/recipes/gl/italian-meatballs.html

Overall both pies were very good but both taster parties mentioned that the crust was a bit too dense so I'll use a 65% hydration for all upcoming pies to achieve a more airy crust structure.

Some pics...

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« Reply #418 on: September 19, 2011, 03:29:06 PM »
And the rest...
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #419 on: September 19, 2011, 04:28:33 PM »
Did it make a nice crunchy sound when cut?
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« Reply #420 on: September 19, 2011, 04:45:34 PM »
Mike,

It looks like you are making good progress. Maybe someday you can go to San Diego and try the real thing.

I'm glad the pizza sauce turned out well. It is always somewhat of a crapshoot when you are eyeballing volume measurements, especially in a video where images can get distorted. Did you and/or your tasters like the 7/11 sauce better than the 6-in-1 sauce and, if so, why?

This has been quite an interesting thread that has taught us a lot of things--about Pendleton flours (and particularly the Power flour), flour bag sizes, Hobart mixers, Stanislaus tomatoes, video shoots and post-production techniques, and how to slice and dice a video to extract useful information. I don't think that I will ever view a DDD segment the same way again. It looks like a lot of people are following what we have all done. No doubt some of them think we belong in a home somewhere :-D.

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #421 on: September 19, 2011, 05:06:22 PM »
Did it make a nice crunchy sound when cut?

It did! But there's still some work to do before I get where I want the crust to be.
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« Reply #422 on: September 19, 2011, 05:16:19 PM »
Mike,

It looks like you are making good progress. Maybe someday you can go to San Diego and try the real thing.

I'm glad the pizza sauce turned out well. It is always somewhat of a crapshoot when you are eyeballing volume measurements, especially in a video where images can get distorted. Did you and/or your tasters like the 7/11 sauce better than the 6-in-1 sauce and, if so, why?

This has been quite an interesting thread that has taught us a lot of things--about Pendleton flours (and particularly the Power flour), flour bag sizes, Hobart mixers, Stanislaus tomatoes, video shoots and post-production techniques, and how to slice and dice a video to extract useful information. I don't think that I will ever view a DDD segment the same way again. It looks like a lot of people are following what we have all done. No doubt some of them think we belong in a home somewhere :-D.

Peter

Peter,

'Asylum' would be a better word!  ;D

Regarding the real Luigi's, I think there's no way around except for visiting Luigi's Pizzeria if one wants to compare the clones to the real deal. Unless, of course, Luigi shows up on here and gives his insight but I doubt that this will happen any time soon.

The sauce is very, very good. The main two differences between the 6-in-1s and the 7/11 tomatoes are the consistency and the sweetness. The 6-in1-s have always required some added water or pureeing them down a bit to make the sauce thinner in consistency and some form of sugar whereas the 7/11s haven't required anything else. But the 6-in-1s are still a great product and very close to the 7/11s, though. One thing I and my testers also noticed was a higher acidity level in the 6-in-1s. Last night, all of them liked the the 7/11 sauce better than my previous one made from the Escalon tomatoes.

I think I'll make two small batches from both tomato products with the exact same numbers you posted and than do a side-by-side comparison. Also, I think the crust could use a tad more experimenting in terms of keeping it close to Luigi's 24-hr fermentation and trying to coax out a tad more flavor at the same time.

I'm anxious to see how Norma's test will turn out.

P.S.: I forgot to mention that both pies were baked at 645°F, give or take a couple of degrees, for 7 mins.
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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #423 on: September 19, 2011, 06:43:41 PM »
28-ounces (793.8 grams) of canned tomatoes
0.32 grams Red pepper flakes (this will be about 2-3 pinches)
0.74 grams Greek oregano (bottled)
1 gram Salt (table salt, Morton’s)
0.32 grams Ground black pepper
2.78 grams Garlic powder
5.3 grams Grated Parmesan cheese
0.64 grams Fresh, chopped basil
Total weight of seasoning mix (without the tomatoes): 11.1 grams


Can you guys convert this into tsp? Maybe round them off to the nearest size?

My scale cannot measure most of this stuff.I dont mind rounding stuff off,it has never been an issue for me with anything in the past.The changes might be so minor,I wont hardly notice much.

Thanks.

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Re: Pizzeria Luigi in San Diego, CA
« Reply #424 on: September 19, 2011, 06:44:00 PM »
Mike,

Your are really “going to town” on your Luigi’s experiments!  :-D  Seriously, your recent pies look very delicious!  :) Your toppings also look great! I was interested how you would like the Stanislaus 7/11 tomato product.  I also like the 7/11 tomato sauce and other Stanislaus products.  I know all members have different tastes, but I have also tried the 6in1 sauce with different spices and I keep going back to the Stanislaus products because of the fresh tomato taste.

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