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What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« on: September 01, 2012, 11:58:08 AM »
We see so many things with something bread-like on the bottom with virtually anything else on top called pizza. But is it? Is there a minimum standard of identity, or is it anything goes?

If you take the top slice of bread off a hot ham and cheese sandwich, does it become a ham and cheese pizza? Is an open face turkey sandwich really Thanksgiving pizza? Are cookie cakes (for example: http://www.cookiesbydesign.com/gifts/gourmet-cookie-cakes) actually pizzas or would you have to top them with something in addition to the frosting? Is an plain old cheesecake only a name change away from being a deep dish cheesecake pizza? Why would making a cheesecake flat turn it into pizza for that matter?

What is the attraction of calling things pizza that have no relation to pizza whatsoever other than perhaps a round shape, flat profile, or layered ingredients? I donít get it.
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 12:12:49 PM »
The word "pizza" attracts attention....
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 12:34:26 PM »
Craig,

As I see it, it depends on how one approaches this matter. On the one hand, you can be a purist and insist that a pizza be defined by its origins, for example, the types of pizzas that were made in Naples and maybe elsewhere in Italy and that inspired the pizzas that were later to be made in the U.S. The ingredients would be simple and basic--mainly flour, water, salt and yeast--and with simple and modest toppings indigenous to the areas where the pizzas were made. On the other hand, one can view pizza from a commercial perspective where the objective is to make a profit. When viewed from that perspective, almost anything goes. It is much like how bagels were transformed from something hard and chewy into a softer medium for sandwiches, and yogurt was turned from a sour, tangy standalone product into a sweet dessert like product. Once the objective is to make a profit, then just about any transformation can be justified.

I remember when, several years ago (in 2004), I started a thread called Pizza with an Egg. That thread is at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,637.0.html. I did not out and out call the pizzas I described in that thread "egg pizzas" (other than a few places to shorten the expression) because I wasn't quite certain that putting eggs on a bread-like base made them into pizzas. However, if you scan the photos of the pizzas shown in that thread, you will see that I found a way of putting eggs in several different forms onto a pizza base. The inspiration came from several different food disciplines. At one point, at Reply 28 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,637.msg14353.html#msg14353, Bill went so far as to suggest that what I had done did not represent pizzas, although he saw merit in what I had done. All I remember is that I liked my eggs on pizza creations. There was even one with a bit of whimsy, at Reply 25 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,637.msg8886.html#msg8886 ;D. Maybe that one doesn't deserve to be called a pizza but it was a lot of fun notwithstanding.

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 01:01:44 PM »
Off to make my kid a PBJ calzone...  ;D
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 01:04:34 PM »
Off to make my kid a PBJ calzone...  ;D
spread it open an it will be a pizza... ;)
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 01:08:09 PM »
Off to make my kid a PBJ calzone...  ;D

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 08:50:21 PM »
for me,  the idea of a pizza,  starts with a bread dough,  cooking at the same time as the rest of the ingredients.   Anything other than that,  and you must declare yourself,  like french bread pizza. 

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 09:07:54 PM »
for me,  the idea of a pizza,  starts with a bread dough,  cooking at the same time as the rest of the ingredients.   Anything other than that,  and you must declare yourself,  like french bread pizza. 

Reminds me of a Simpsons quote:

Marge Simpson: Sweetie, you could still go to McGill, the Harvard of Canada.

Lisa Simpson: Anything that's the "something" of the "something" isn't really the "anything" of "anything".
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 12:29:13 AM »
With no extensive thought, I would say pizza is a leavened dough baked with toppings.

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 12:37:46 AM »
With no extensive thought, I would say pizza is a leavened dough baked with toppings.
+1...but sometimes unleavened (cracker), preferably with a tomato sauce on it and tastes really, really good.  :)
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 09:09:00 AM »
My first thing to say was yeast leavened dough formed in a flatter style, but it looks like many others have laid that out. Sauce, toppings, cheese, etc are optional but in my mind you have to have yeast, commercial or wild, in order for it to be called pizza. And baked in a dry environment, not fried or cooked otherwise unless your par-frying the crust and then finishing in the oven as restaurants like Forcella do.

I may be completely wrong in this opinion, but quickly off the top of my head I would say that is my personal criteria.
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 01:25:46 AM »
Here is an example where the name comes from the topping: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-pizza-lamb-leg-steaks


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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 01:30:24 AM »
She looks tasty!  And the food's not bad either.

Seriously, pizza on a steak?  No more crust to worry about?  Well, why not!?
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 05:22:38 PM »
The issue of calling things "pizza" got me wondering about an adjective that I see used a LOT on pizza reviews:- "bready" to describe pizza crust. I take this to mean "like bread" rather than "like pizza".

If a crust can be "bready" then what is "pizza-y" crust?

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 05:28:43 PM »

If a crust can be "bready" then what is "pizza-y" crust?
Crust that is not bready.... ;D
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 06:13:41 PM »
If a crust can be "bready" then what is "pizza-y" crust?

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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 12:16:25 AM »
http://www.food.com/recipe/low-calorie-pizza-inspired-warm-spinach-salad-424607

Yacked in my mouth a bit.


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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 12:19:18 AM »
^ LOL awesome. I'm gonna steal that one from you to email to my fraternity brothers. 
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Re: What is the attraction of calling things pizza?
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 12:26:29 AM »
^ LOL awesome. I'm gonna steal that one from you to email to my fraternity brothers. 


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