Thank you, Norma, for the links. I am just now taking the first steps down a road into a world where I believe I know exactly where I want to go, but not really how to get there, while equipping my kitchen, trying to develop my café the way I want. I am also to develop a menu which include more than pizza, among them some traditional Swedish, Russian and German courses. Plowing through these threads will take a while, as will wading through shoals of mistakes towards my hopeful success. I will most definitely try this Detroit style down the road. It is another one of those things I have been confronted with on this forum that makes me go 'Really?'. But right now, my white whale, my Edelweiß, is the NY style pizza the way people on this forum makes it. I've seen some incredible crumb shots here. Many of them yours, Norma. I just hope I'll be able to go to the states and study with someone this spring.