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« Reply #400 on: October 20, 2011, 12:59:26 PM »
Norma,

I see what you are saying. I would go with the sweeter Dri-Mol product for now and monitor how the color shakes out.

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« Reply #401 on: October 20, 2011, 02:50:09 PM »
Peter, Biz, or for anyone that is interested,

A lady specialist called me from Domino’s Specialty Ingredients.  She explained all about molasses to me, and how you can’t really get a sweeter taste with using a lot of molasses in a product.  She said there is a thing such as “Fancy Molasses”, but that is only sold to a Canadian business, and is made special for them.  She said it isn’t really much sweeter than the Homemaid product.  She said the “Fancy Molasses” is only 65-75% sucrose.  The Homemaid molasses is about 70% sucrose.   She told me the difference in how sweet molasses tastes is by the ash content in molasses.  The more ash in molasses the sweeter the product is.  More ash improves the flavor of molasses.  She told me basically Grandma’s Original molasses is almost exactly like Homemaid molasses.  She said the Homemaid molasses has the highest sucrose level of Domino’s molasses products sold in the US.  The ash in the Homemaid product is about 3 ˝ %.  She told me the other percent in molasses is water.  She also said the lighter the molasses is the sweeter it will taste.  She said more impurities equal more flavor in molasses.

I told the specialist what we were trying to achieve and what kind of pizza we were trying to clone.  She had never heard about MM’s, but was interested.  I told her what we had tried so far, and how we had trouble with getting the crust to taste sweeter.  She said the only thing to do was to add some kind of sweetener to the molasses.  She said even if we used a really high percent of molasses in the dough, the crust wouldn’t get that much sweeter.  I told the specialist that MM’s claims to use no regular refined sugar in their dough, but doesn’t claim not to use refined sugars.  She said I could try Evaporated Cane Juice (ECJ) in either liquid or crystallized form.  http://www.dominospecialtyingredients.com/?pageId=1090&rowId=11197
She said the crystallized form is the best to use.  I asked her if I also could get samples of the ECJ.  She said yes, and all I had to do was send her an email with my request, my name, business name, address, phone number and email.  She gave me her email to send the request.  She said she would send me the technical information.

At the end of our talking she wanted to know where MM’s had operations, and I told her there was one in Washington, D.C. that just opened.  She said she is going to be in Washington, D.C. this weekend and is going to go there and try their pizzas.  I did give her the MM’s website for her to look at in the email.

In the end, I now wonder just how healthy a MM’s pizza is if that much sucrose is in their pizza dough.

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Re: Mellow Mushroom Pizza found in Atlanta and surroundin areas...Recipes?
« Reply #402 on: October 20, 2011, 03:40:30 PM »

I recently conducted a couple of interesting Google searches relating to the claim that MM uses no refined white sugars in its dough or pizza sauce.....
.... There is no way of knowing whether MM corporate has acquiesced in the use by others of the broader expression “refined sugar” (or the plural version “refined sugars”). There is a big difference between “refined white sugars” and “refined sugars”.

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Is there any way that plain old corn syrup could fly under "using no refined white sugars" , in conjunction with the molasses ?

From Karo corn syrup:  (http://www.karosyrup.com/faq.html)






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« Reply #403 on: October 20, 2011, 04:22:24 PM »
Norma,

That was an interesting report from the lady at Domino's Specialty Ingredients. It seems to confirm what we have been experiencing. The very first MM test clone dough I made used 10% liquid molasses. It was the Grandma's Mild Flavor molasses since that was the only brand of molasses I had on hand at the time. I thought that the finished crust had a very nice flavor but it was not overly sweet. It was later, after using an amount of molasses to get a dough with a color like an MM dough, that I found that I had to add something else as a sweetener. I thought that perhaps a Fancy molasses would cure that problem. If the specialist from Domino's says that molasses itself will not produce enough sweetness, that means that something else has to be added as a sweetener. I chose to use turbinado sugar (raw cane sugar) because it was not a "refined white sugar" and its color was light brown and not white. What the Domino's lady will send to you as a sample seems to be like a raw cane sugar. It will be interesting to see what its color is.

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« Reply #404 on: October 20, 2011, 04:27:44 PM »
For what it's worth, if anyone wants to add sweetness to the crust without impacting yeast activity, browning or crumb texture like most sweeteners do, there's always artificial sweeteners.  I've been known when I want a little more sweetness, to add splenda. The advantage to artificial sweeteners is that I don't think yeast eat them, so, regardless of the fermentation time/quantity of yeast/residual sugars, you'll still get a sweet crust.

I know that artificial sweeteners are up there with bromate in popularity, but I just wanted to throw this out there as an option.

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« Reply #405 on: October 20, 2011, 04:38:31 PM »
Is there any way that plain old corn syrup could fly under "using no refined white sugars" , in conjunction with the molasses ?

Gene,

We have always been operating on the premise that MM uses "a Vitamin-E enriched high-gluten flour with wheat germ" and no "refined white sugar" in the dough or sauce. It still isn't clear what the quoted language really means (for example, white flours are not enriched with Vitamin E although wheat germ contains Vitamin E), but the "refined white sugar" would seem to apply to white table sugar. That leaves room to drive a truck through, with all kinds of sweeteners that are not "refined white sugar(s)". I suppose it could even include corn syrup. I should add that the expression "refined white sugar(s)" was transformed to "refined sugar(s)" by some franchisees and article writers and other sources but I could not find that language attributable to MM at the corporate level itself. It's possible that the management people at MM headquarters responsible for these matters have been asleep at the wheel all the while and have not paid any attention to the way that others quote them in their writings. The people who interface with the public on what is in their products may not even know what goes into the MM dough and how the dough is made.

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« Reply #406 on: October 20, 2011, 04:53:04 PM »
Gene,

.....I suppose it could even include corn syrup.....

Peter

Thanks Peter, I just saw that "Dark corn syrup is made with refiners' syrup, a type of molasses. With its more robust flavor and color, it is ideal for many baked goods."  I thought possibly you could kill the sweetness and color bird with one stone.
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« Reply #407 on: October 20, 2011, 05:51:03 PM »
I forgot to mention in my other post that the specialist from Domino’s said another ingredient MM’s could be using is Natural Sucanat, which I mentioned before at Reply 284 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3940.msg155971.html#msg155971
She said it is sweet (with organic sugar cane) and has the molasses flavor.  I wouldn’t think MM’s would be using Sucanat though.  The lady from Dominio’s wondered really how the crust tasted.  I told her I did experiments and thought the pizzas turn out well,  but didn’t really know.  She did say she was going to send me a sample of Homemaid molasses to try, in addition to the (ECJ) products.

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« Reply #408 on: October 20, 2011, 07:14:12 PM »
I guess this is the newest MM’s operation that opened in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood on Monday October 17, 2011.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/youngandhungry/2011/10/17/move-over-jumbo-slice-mellow-mushroom-pizza-opens-today-in-adams-morgan/

junkfoodguy looks inside before the opening.  http://junkfoodguy.com/2011/10/16/photo-first-take-mellow-mushroom-dc/

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« Reply #409 on: October 21, 2011, 08:15:31 AM »
If anyone is interested, under Mellow Mushroom, “Our Story”, it shows pictures of the first pizza business they started in 1974, along with a menu of their pizzas and  prices of when they began. http://mellowfranchise.com/our-story#thumb   MM’s first pizza business sure looked a lot different than their pizza businesses do today.

In this article, Brasch said stores in the chain’s Atlanta market receive local refrigerated dough deliveries, while those outside of Georgia get frozen shipments.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3190/is_41_40/ai_n26707254/


I decided to call the new MM’s operation in Washington, DC yesterday to see if they sell dough balls.  The younger lady that answered the phone hesitated when I asked her about selling dough balls, and said right now since they just opened Monday, she doesn’t think they sell dough balls, and since they had just opened Monday they aren’t up with what all the other franchises do, but maybe in the future they might sell dough balls. 

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« Reply #410 on: October 21, 2011, 08:36:32 AM »
Norma,

The Brasch article is the same one cited in Reply 35 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3940.msg149976.html#msg149976 before you became active in this thread. However, it still isn't entirely clear which stores make their own dough balls fresh. For example, I was recently told by a customer service person at MM that the dough balls used by two Texas franchisees are frozen, whereas I was told by an employee of one of those stores that the dough balls are fresh.

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« Reply #411 on: October 21, 2011, 08:47:15 AM »
Peter,

I forgot you posted the article I referenced before.  It makes me wonder if different MM’s locations are making their own dough.  If I am ever able to visit the MM's Washington, D.C. location, I will ask them if they make their own dough.

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« Reply #412 on: October 21, 2011, 10:00:20 PM »
My daughter and I went to MM’s today in Washington, DC.  ;D We both enjoyed everything we ate there.  I really like MM’s pizza crust, and enjoyed watching the workers work with the dough balls.  Our server was very attentive, answered questions, and so did the pie makers and kitchen  manager.

These are the pictures and videos I took.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLv1_ttaZFw" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLv1_ttaZFw</a>

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« Reply #413 on: October 21, 2011, 10:01:24 PM »
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« Reply #414 on: October 21, 2011, 10:02:37 PM »
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« Reply #415 on: October 21, 2011, 10:03:27 PM »
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« Reply #416 on: October 21, 2011, 10:04:25 PM »
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« Reply #418 on: October 21, 2011, 10:06:42 PM »
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