A real deep dish video

[loowaters]

Hmm.  My formula would require 92 oz. by weight of total oil for a 25 lb. bag of flour.  That converts using red.november's conversion tool to 3 quarts + 1.489 t.  If they use more than that...wow!

Is that a 50 lb. bag of flour?  With my formula that would require about 2.75 gallons of water (the larger box) and 6 quarts of oil (the smaller box, which was full in the video).  I may sound silly asking the bag flour question but I don't work with these huge bags...ever, and I don't know.

Loo

Edit:  ask bag flour question.

[DKM]

I showed it to an associate from a bakery and he thought 3 gallons water, 6 quarts oil, and 30 lbs flour.

Pete any ideas on the bakers percents for that combination?

[DKM]

We must have received the same email offer and I think I'm going to order 6, too.

Best deal I remember from them.

[loowaters]

After seeing a couple vids online w/ 50 lb. bags of flour I'm thinking that's what it is.  30 lbs. of flour w/ all that liquid wouldn't be manageable at all.  You'd have a batter at nearly 80% hydration + all that oil. 

Loo

[DKM]

After seeing a couple vids online w/ 50 lb. bags of flour I'm thinking that's what it is.  30 lbs. of flour w/ all that liquid wouldn't be manageable at all.  You'd have a batter at nearly 80% hydration + all that oil. 

Loo

I thought that sounded too small.

I finally had some time to sit down and do some calculations

50 lbs flour
3 gallons of water = ~24 lbs (48%)
6 qt of oil = ~10.6 lbs (21%)

I emailed my associate back to verify his thoughts.

[loowaters]

DKM, using the mass volume conversion tool of red.november I got 22.94% on the oil (if actually 6 full quarts) and 45.88% for water (if actually 3 gallons).  This was kinda huge for us.  Thanks for posting a link to the vid.

Loo

[vcb]

DKM, using the mass volume conversion tool of red.november I got 22.94% on the oil (if actually 6 full quarts) and 45.88% for water (if actually 3 gallons).  This was kinda huge for us.  Thanks for posting a link to the vid.

Loo

Okay , so 4qts = 1 gallon right?
12 quarts of water to 6 quarts of oil?

Can that water percentage be right?

[loowaters]

Okay , so 4qts = 1 gallon right?
12 quarts of water to 6 quarts of oil?

Can that water percentage be right?

I sure think so.  With all that oil you need to keep the hydration down a bit and 45.88% isn't really wet.  Also, it follows the K.I.S.S theory of nice round numbers for any kid to make dough if need be. 

[BTB]

Good discussion here.  Thanks Dev for starting it up.

The 9" deep dish pizzas that one gets shipped to them from Malnati's is not as "full" and thick as the one you get in the restaurant.  I've had so very many of their pizzas, both at their restaurants and shipped frozen in the aluminum tins.  That's one thing you notice right away . . . the "mass" isn't quite there with the frozen pizzas, but they still are ". . . the next best thing to . . ." and still very good.  I think you have to chalk that up to the frozen pizza industry methodology. 
 
Checking back on many of my recipes for a 9" size deep dish, the dough weight normally has been around 12.5 ounces, but I often cut some out to make the crust a little thinner, so I would guess typically 11 to 12 ounces.  With the cheese, I don't use a full 8 ounce package of sliced mozzarella, usually about 5 or 6 slices and some slices of provolone in pieces on top of that.  So I would estimate the cheese to be 7 to 8 ounces.  And when I often feel "cheesy," another couple ounces or so.  My guesstimate on the sauce is based on my picturing my typical use of a 28 ounce can of 6 in 1.  I use less than a half -- est. 7 to 10 ounces -- but most often then add some small diced tomatoes which appears to me to then look and taste much closer to a Malnati's or Due's pizza.  So I would guess the total tomato weight to be in the range of 8 to 12 ounces. 
 
Like most things, pizzamaking is an art -- not a science -- and I "eyeball" things a lot as I put the pizza together.  So along with adding some grated cheese and spices on top of the pizza, my estimated total unbaked weight is in the range of 26 to 32 ounces.

Can . . . anyone . . . venture a guess on the amount of sauce used for the pizza in the video?

I think that they put on a light amount of sauce.  You can see that on the video esp. when the cheese shines through.  Compare that to the regular amount of sauce they put on my 9" pizza when I last visited Malnati's headquarters restaurant in Lincolnwood last summer in the picture below. 

                                                                             --BTB

[Pete-zza]

The gal who lifted the bag of flour in the video seemed to do it with ease. That would lead me to believe that the bag of flour is around 25 pounds rather than 50 pounds. It seems to me from my reading over at the PMQ Think Tank forum that 25 pounds is a standard weight for flour and is the next step down from a 50 pound bag. I did searches this morning over at the PMQTT, and I did not get any hits for 30 pounds. I got several for 25 pounds and a lot more for 50 pounds. Of course, Malnati's could have their supplier bag the flour in any size that Malnati's might request.

Loo, I have found that losses during baking can vary quite a bit from one style of pizza to another and also based on what is on the pizza. Also, the numbers I have observed are for a home oven. I have no idea as to what the comparable numbers would be for commercial ovens.

Peter

[DKM]

It depends on who they get their flour from and how "custom" it is.  When I worked for Pizza Inn we would get 32 lbs of flour for thin crust.  It was later changed to 25 lbs.

I agree on the K.I.S.S.  That's why most of the pizza places I worked meassured the water and oil by volume.  It is easier to tell a new person fill the oil to the 6 qt line and water to the 3 gallon line.  I remember we used two ounce ladle to messure sauce, oil, and other things and the recipes were written that way.  So 2 oz or oil was by ladle not scale.

On the cheese, I turned up the speaker here at noticed that the guy showing them how to make the pizza is who told her how much cheese.  5 on the bottom 4 on top. He told her how much after asking what she was putting on it.  That goes with Marc saying the amount of cheese depends on the toppings.

[loowaters]

Peter, I don't think the girls do any of the heavy lifting in the early part of the video.  I think the guy helping them adds the water and does that whisking.  He also adds the oil.  Someone that's never done it before wouldn't head in as aggressively with the whisk.  I also think he handles the flour and my thought was the opposite, he does squat down a bit to pick it up knowing that it's not too light.  Also, the bags laying in the background look like they'd hold 10 of my 5 lb. grocery store bought bags of flour.  

Loo

[Pete-zza]

Loo,

You are correct. I will have to pay closer attention to what is going on in the video  .

Peter

[loowaters]

Your fine work in other areas excuses you.

[Pete-zza]

I was looking at another Malnati's video that we have seen before, at

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EamwTiy9bpQ&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EamwTiy9bpQ&amp;feature=related</a>

, mainly to see how much cheese is placed into what appears to be a 9" cheese deep-dish at Malnati's. The video shows the pizza maker, Danny, placing four slices into the pan but the video then skips ahead, at which point the video shows Danny with what looks to be one slice left in his hand. So, one can only guess how many slices actually end up in the pan although it doesn't look like nine slices to my aging eyeballs. Maybe the pizza Danny made in the video isn't a "regulation" pizza either.

It looks like roughly a ladle full of sauce is placed over the cheese. I noticed also Danny says that Parmesan cheese, not Romano cheese, is sprinkled over the pizza. Also, it will be noted that Danny bakes the pizza in the oven at the second level from the top without moving it to an upper deck.

Peter

[DKM]

I think that they put on a light amount of sauce.  You can see that on the video esp. when the cheese shines through.  Compare that to the regular amount of sauce they put on my 9" pizza when I last visited Malnati's headquarters restaurant in Lincolnwood last summer in the picture below. 

The guy helping them tells them they have too much sauce at fist and takes some off with his hand.  I think she doesn't spread it evenly.

[DKM]

Looks like at least a 6 oz ladle.

In Peter's link he (Danny) also states that the amount of cheese is based on the size and toppings.  I wonder if 5 slices on the bottom is the cheese for the pizza and 4 on top if for the "topping" of cheese? 

Peter, I noticed on the link you posted there is an edit when he is taking it out of the oven so we can't tell if he is taking it straight to the cutting table or moving it.

[pizzard]

Hi all!  I'm new to the message board, and wanted to share my observations. 

First, these girls are adorable.  I do think they are employees.  When one of them is cutting the pizza she says "They don't trust me with the knives, remember?"  I think they up and put this together, and look at the buzz they stirred on this board, so kudos to Sarah and her friends. 

Going in order of the video:

- Not a lot of yeast for the  amount of "dry ingredients" added.  This suggests why there is little rise during cooking...something I always seem to have a problem with.

- A note on oil.  First, if you look at the ingredients list of a Lou's sausage pizza its says Crust (flour, water, corn oil, yeast)...if you look at the ingredients of a cheese pizza it says Crust (flour, water, corn oil, olive oil, yeast)...hmmm.  Why the discrepancy?  (I saved both so I'm looking right at them as I'm typing this.)

- The oil container is most definitely 6 qts.

- I too thought that a 50 pound bag would be too much for one of these girls to lift.  After looking more closely at the video, it is definitely a male employee doing the lifting.  You see this employee in the far background later in the video when she is being shown how to flip the pizza out of the pan.

- Question...was the pan greased when the dough was put in?  It seems that there was no oil in the pan, but perhaps shortening, or some other type of grease that is wiped in.

- The on screen message regarding the tomato sauce..."Only crushed tomatoes, nothing else."  I don't think they added oregano to their pizza...oops.  I thought is was cute that it never dawned on her to use the ladle to spread the tomato sauce.   

- Lastly, did you notice the number of ovens in this kitchen?  This was clearly a slow night, or before the restaurant opened, so why not make a video?

[loowaters]

The yeast amount is tough to guess becaue the mixer bowl is so big, but 4 oz. of IDY would be .50% in the formula.  That looks and sounds reasonable.

Edit:  Four ounces is the size of a jar of yeast that one would get at a grocery store.  Again, K.I.S.S.

[dbgtr]

One thing I noticed was how well proofed the portioned dough balls appeared.