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Offline GotRocks

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2010, 09:53:02 PM »
Hey, Now your talking my language with that spit-roasted hog!!!

It looks very nice, and I am being very sincere when I say that, Roasting pigs is a large percentage of my summer catering, and I hope to be able to work whole hog into a weekly/weekend special at the restaurant too.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2010, 09:57:50 PM »
I'm going to be honest with you.

There is nothing about that pizza that stands out and would implore me to eat at your restaurant opposed to a competitor's. It may taste great, I don't know, but even great restaurants go under. It's incredibly difficult, so I really hope you're doing your due diligence.

Good luck to you, but be aware that there are an awful lot of unforseen pitholes in running a place.

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2010, 10:02:32 AM »
This may sound crazy, but my strategy does not rely all that much on how the pizza LOOKS like it tastes.

The Sicilian is the best pizza I've ever eaten. The thin pizza is better than anything around here, but not as good as the Sicilian. Still needs work.

The pig was excellent. That one is stuffed with moros. My only complaint about rotisserie pigs is that the skin doesn't crisp up all that well. It's fun to watch them rotate, however.

I really like pigs for holiday meals. They taste a whole lot better than turkeys, and they make a great impression on a crowd.

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2010, 12:26:47 AM »
This may sound crazy, but my strategy does not rely all that much on how the pizza LOOKS like it tastes.

The Sicilian is the best pizza I've ever eaten. The thin pizza is better than anything around here, but not as good as the Sicilian. Still needs work.

The pig was excellent. That one is stuffed with moros. My only complaint about rotisserie pigs is that the skin doesn't crisp up all that well. It's fun to watch them rotate, however.

I really like pigs for holiday meals. They taste a whole lot better than turkeys, and they make a great impression on a crowd.

Presentation and visual appeal are a large part of the battle that cannot be overlooked! Taste is also very subjective too but not as important as visual appeal..
What some people find to be a great pizza, someone else might consider that same pizza absolutely horrible. 
Lets look at Pizzeria Uno for a minute, they are huge in Chicago. but I though it was the worst pizza that ever passed my lips. After waiting outside for 3 hours, drinking lots of beer and getting hungry enough to eat the butthole out of a skunk, I had 1 bite of what Uno's put in front of me and had them wrap the rest. I tossed the rest in the first garbage can I found and went to McDonald's a block away to get some food in me. Then we went to Geno's East later because I was promised I would like their pizza if I did not like what Uno had. at least I found it mediocre, not horrible this time.

Then you get into the big-3 with their price wars to drag you down. Most DELCO pizza eaters are looking at price over quality or flavor, how would you expect some drunk with $15.00 in his pocket wanting as much food as he can get instead of a truly great pizza? What would you offer that could go against any of the big-3 to make him spend his money with you instead of them?
great food alone does not make a successful place, especially in the uber competitive pizza world.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2010, 12:57:57 AM »
What some people find to be a great pizza, someone else might consider that same pizza absolutely horrible.

I believe that, although we're all heavily influenced by genetics, upbringing and environment, there is a universal aesthetic. We're all kind of hardwired to enjoy similar things.  I've seen lots of women that I thought were beautiful, only to have friends find them only so so (and vice versa), but, occasionally, you run across such a rare beauty that the favorable opinion is almost unanimous.  I think pizza works the same way.  If you can create something truly spectacular, you might find a few people that think it's only good (and maybe 1 out of 50 that thinks it garbage), but most people, in any part of the world, will say 'wow, that's great.'

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2010, 10:46:17 AM »
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I believe that, although we're all heavily influenced by genetics, upbringing and environment, there is a universal aesthetic. We're all kind of hardwired to enjoy similar things.

This is absolutely true, but 75 years of kooks running our educational system have brainwashed us into denying that any behaviors or attitudes are hard-wired.

Nonetheless, people will tend to be biased toward the pizza they were raised on.

As for presentation, I have no respect for it. If food looks okay and tastes great, people will come back over and over. You don't have to turn every dish into a prizewinning centerpiece. I think the presentation fad is largely a creation of the deplorable foodie movement.

The pizza at my favorite (highly successful) pizzerias looks pretty similar to the garbage they serve at Domino's and Papa John's. Round disks with sauce and cheese.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2010, 11:42:14 AM »
Deplorable foodie movement?

I see that movement as a renaissance! it is helping people realize there is better options out there than the frozen food industry which pushed prepared crap that almost everyone has been eating since the 60's with the invention of TV-Dinners.

When I was in grade school, everything was made from scratch, bread was baked on-site, nothing came out of a frozen case with "a just heat and it is ready to eat" label on it, People 40 years old and younger were brought up on over-processed prepared meals by many families, and they know nothing better. the foodie movement is making many people realize how bad they had it and they are now seeking out better alternatives.

I grew up with items cooked in the home, did I consider my mother a foodie? No! she was just a very talented cook. When I was 18 and out of the house, I continued to cook as she did, and cooking ended up as my chosen career. Most guys around my age think opening a can of spaghettios and adding spam to them is a home-cooked meal. the foodie movement is making the stores provide better fresh options again where as little as ten years ago, those items would have never sold, so they would not carry them.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2010, 12:21:33 PM »
Don't get me wrong. It's great that people care about food, but the problem with any fad is that it will lead to groupthink, homogeneity, blind acceptance of mythology, the exaltation of mediocrities, and the ostracism of creative people who won't join the herd. And the snobbery and condescension are paralyzing. Cooking is art, so rigidity and conformity tend to destroy it. They discourage experimentation and diversity, which are at the heart of progress.

I've seen TV food heroes do really dumb things while the audiences oohed and ahhed like they were witnessing miracles, and I've eaten in TV-chef restaurants that were literally inferior to Pizza Hut. I've used TV-chef recipes that were not only bad, but absurd. The fad helped these things happen. Once fame cements your reputation, you can spread plumber's putty on a cracker and tell people it's divine, and 90% of them will agree with you and go for the throat of anyone who complains.

I remember a hilarious TV show that did Candid Camera-style pranks. They made up a fake soft drink, using the most disgusting ingredients they could think of. They made it so revolting, it amazed them that people could drink it. Then they gave out samples in a store and told people they were filming a commercial. Over and over, people grinned and said how much they loved it, just so they could be on TV.

That's the same thing that happens when Emeril cooks up a bad recipe and passes it out to the crowd.

I never watch food TV. It can't be trusted. Picking through it to see what works wastes my time. Meanwhile, the Internet, good books, trusted friends, and hands-on experience are invaluable.

I cooked before the food fad, and I will be cooking after it's over. It hasn't done a thing for me, apart from screwing up a few meals.

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2010, 07:24:42 PM »
I don't see the foodie movement as a fad, I see it as more of an awakening to what they have been missing in their lives for 30+ years.

I saw the "heat & eat", over processed foods as a fad, but one that has lasted for a long while, but now what we got happening is the frozen food industry trying to produce better more natural products. So I think this has been a benefit for the consumer and the chef's alike.
Have you seen the movie Ratatouille? if not, watch it. It pretty much sums up the renaissance we are seeing and living right now.

Lets take a look at frozen pizzas for a few seconds, if fresher ingredients and all the other "Foodie" ideas were to be ignored, we would not have rising-crust frozen pizza's, different crust options, fresher vegetables, etc etc etc. they would all still be like a a tombstone original pizza, some crap spread on cardboard.
look what this "Fad" has forced Domino's to do, they did a full redesign of their product to get a better share of the market, if it wasn't for this foodie movement, they would not have been forced to adapt to stay alive in the industry.

The frozen/processed food conglomerates are trying to get in on this movement the best they can right now because they have realized that they will become extinct if they do not.

When I talk of "Presentation is a large part of the battle" I am not speaking of having Garde manger chef making tomato-skin roses and decorating the pie, it just needs to look visually appealing. I am not saying your pies are not appealing, it is just that we eat with our eyes first and flavor is secondary. then we also get into texture. If you made the most flavorful thing in the world, but it had the texture of sand, and looked like a pile of dog-doo, I doubt people would be able get past the looks to even try it.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2010, 10:14:59 AM »
I am not speaking of having Garde manger chef making tomato-skin roses and decorating the pie, it just needs to look visually appealing.

I was thinking of trying to toss a pie in the shape of a boat with toppings carved into the shapes of the crew and melted mozzarella as rigging and sails...

that would look awesome.

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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2010, 11:21:54 AM »
I was thinking of trying to toss a pie in the shape of a boat with toppings carved into the shapes of the crew and melted mozzarella as rigging and sails...

that would look awesome.

I would pay to see that!! Thanks Mo, I needed the laugh.
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Re: The Inevitable Happens
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2011, 07:08:03 PM »
That makes the asking price zero, since this place closed two weeks ago and has no clientele. I think the only value left is the equipment.

The total figure for rent, water, gas, power, Internet, phones, and trash is about $1700 at its peak (highest gas consumption). I have not checked this via receipts and checks yet.

Thanks for the info. Very good to know.

Once a place closes THEY ARE ONLY SELLING USED EQUIPMENT.  THERE IS NO GOOD WILL....THEY CLOSED!!!  Maybe....MAYBE, the lease is one SOO great that it may be worth something.  That is why closing your doors is so costly.  A place with its door opened, grossing 500K may get around 150K (that is simlified, but 30% of gross is a good starting point, you subtract or add from there.  Once the same place closes......its worth aroung 5-10% if his inventory, meaning mostly his equipment. 

I've talked to people selling their CLOSED establishments.  They say to me, "Well I spent a half million on my place...so i want 200G, thats a deal!!!  Huh, no it aint.  Youre closed.  You have NO BUSINESS TO SELL.  If this guy called a used equipement company to come and take all his equipment he would get appx 5-10K....seriously.  So THAT where you start working.  You like the place, there are anyother takers....you can get it for NO KEY MONEY (cause he's stills stuck paying rent, or you can sweeten the deal becasue he would get so little from a used equipment place that 30K is the best he can do.  He gets 3 times what he would get and you get a nice bargain.

Closed places in situations where its fairly obvious it was mismanagment are the best deals.  Believe me...almost NOONE sells a place that is making money.  My best deal...200 seats, in business 15,000 bucks and a rent reduction of 2/3rds.  A hell of a deal, a rare deal, but in bad times, THEY ARE OUT THERE.