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« Reply #125 on: June 24, 2010, 10:10:36 PM »
Thanks ! , i have with the old stone.
It takes more time to add the toppings and im trying get it quickly off the peel and into the oven so it doesnt stick.
in addition to that the toppings dont come off during the transfer.
ill give it another try tho

Yes, time is the enemy when it comes to dough sticking to a peel.  Just make sure to flour the peel a little more liberally until you get the hang of it. It takes practice and patience to master, but, once you do, I think you'll be pleased with the results. 


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Re: Finally made a good pie , Thanks all ! (pics)
« Reply #126 on: June 24, 2010, 10:22:56 PM »
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Great looking pie.  :)  Thanks for posting all the pictures. 

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« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2010, 09:55:40 AM »
Yes nice looking crumb.  Sear you're starting to sound like a mad scientist.  Like someone I know. lol

Thanks Tran! , ...i think im getting closer to finding that perfect dough recipe that cooks perfectly in my oven .... i hope  :-D

Yes, time is the enemy when it comes to dough sticking to a peel.  Just make sure to flour the peel a little more liberally until you get the hang of it. It takes practice and patience to master, but, once you do, I think you'll be pleased with the results. 

I was using more flour but then i found it was burning on the bottom.
also i found my sauce was getting over cooked, so adding a little more after par baking brought the flavor back.
so i went to less and gently pat the cheese down so it doesnt fly off and then it started sticking ...
i probably need a new bigger peel anyway so i can make my pizzas larger



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Great looking pie.  :)  Thanks for posting all the pictures. 

Norma

Thanks Norma  ;D

Last weekend i made some sauce with fresh plumb tomatoes, broiled them with some evo and garlic then roasted a bit untill i saw some juices in the pan. peeled em and put them through the tomato ricer.
then just a liitle sugar, salt, and pepper.
i tried it the first day i made it on a pie with fresh basil and oregano and i liked it, more of a tomato flavor then the dry herb infused sauce ive been making. but on the other hand i liked the zestyness of my usual sauce.

i also made a batch of smoked tomatoes which i cut into thick slices, put evo , garlic, salt, and peper and into the smoker for about 2 hours at 225.
ill be trying that batch tonight  :chef:

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« Reply #128 on: July 13, 2010, 05:25:18 PM »
 the lastest pizza. fresh plumb tomato chunks with chopped onion, garlic, basil, & oregano
also some left over beef and bacon on top .

i really like the way the tomatoes tasted, next time ill have to try thin sliced and top the whole pie with them.
dough was 62% hydration , and in the fridge for about 3 days.
bake time was 6 minutes @ 550
the crust came out pretty close to what i wanted. slightly crisp on out side and moist chewy on the inside
you can pinch down along the crust and it would rise back up

heres some pics  :)

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« Reply #129 on: July 14, 2010, 12:51:25 PM »
so i had the great idea to try a pie using high heat again.
put a 13" pie on the 800F stone close the oven door, 1 minute later i smell smoke and open the oven door. pie looked ok so i tried to take it off with the peel. it was STUCK !

so you can imagine the fun i had playing with this burning pie in a 800 degree oven.
got out a metal spatula and got it free from the stone.
the rim of the pizza looked pretty good, top undercooked and bottom was scorched.

when opened the dough there was a small thin spot in the middle, which im guessing ruptured and made my pie stick to the stone

im gonna give it another go 2nite but at 650. this was what i wanted to do originally but i tried setting my oven clean cycle for 2 hours instead of the 4 that i have done in the past. so when the stone was 630F the top turned off and the bottom element turned on, so i thought maybe another 30 minutes and the top would go back on. that didnt happen and i just went ahead and loaded it in ...disaster !

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« Reply #130 on: July 14, 2010, 01:04:08 PM »
Sear your latest pie is the nicest looking one you've made. Nice work. I'm still burning pies every now and then.  :P
« Last Edit: July 14, 2010, 05:50:14 PM by Jackie Tran »

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« Reply #131 on: July 14, 2010, 01:27:08 PM »
Sear your latest pie is the nicest looking one you've made. Nice work. I'm still burningnpues every now and then.  :P

Thanks JT, this has never happened to me before. ive probably made around 50 pies or so, just didnt see this one coming

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Re: Finally made a good pie , Thanks all ! (pics)
« Reply #132 on: July 14, 2010, 05:06:55 PM »
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I agree with Jackie Tran that you latest pie looks great.  ;D  Sorry to hear about your oven disaster.  I didnít bake at high temperature in my home oven, but my skin got stuck a couple of times when I went to load it on the stone and of course stuff went all over the oven and then the smoke detectors went off.   :o

Best of luck the next time,  :)

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« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2010, 01:01:14 PM »
Thanks Norma , Im wondering if that dough was over fermented ...
it was 15% starter that i let rest 8hours (overnite).
ive got 2 more dough balls from that batch and im making them 2nite.

i also made another batch last night with only a 2 hour rest so i will be able to compare how the dough opens when i make those on friday. i want to see if i can get a little more crunch to the rim so i left out the oil.

the more i make pizzas the more i want to open my own pizza place  :chef:


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« Reply #134 on: July 15, 2010, 07:47:24 PM »
heres what i meant to do .. :)
went on around 650-700 stone
2.5 minute bake


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Re: Finally made a good pie , Thanks all ! (pics)
« Reply #135 on: July 15, 2010, 07:54:00 PM »
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That is one great looking pie!  ;D  You have come a long way, in a short while.

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« Reply #136 on: July 15, 2010, 08:24:20 PM »
Sear that pie just looks okay to me.  JK it looks Fantastic! Nearlypolitan in da house!  Awesome work man.  ;D
« Last Edit: July 15, 2010, 08:34:01 PM by Jackie Tran »

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« Reply #137 on: July 16, 2010, 10:12:59 AM »
thanks guys ! , i wish i could manipulate my oven better. i just launched this one in time as the top element was turning off when i was taking this out. theres no easy way to do pies on the clean cycle.

ill be making a couple 2nite for my wife and her friends , have to use normal oven mode

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« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2010, 05:08:07 PM »
Pie pics from Friday night.
i got my white pie just the way i want it, still need to make that perfect red sauce tho

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« Reply #139 on: August 14, 2010, 12:58:00 PM »
pretty damn close to what i think is a perfect bake
about 6 minutes @ 530F stone and some broiler magic


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« Reply #140 on: August 14, 2010, 01:26:15 PM »
Nice.  That glorious hole-y rim.  :angel:

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« Reply #141 on: August 14, 2010, 11:29:31 PM »
James, you have some nice pies under your belt, but this one, imo, is in a class by itself.  Well done.

Did you document everything you did so you can repeat this again?

You mentioned that this is 'close' to a perfect bake.  In what way do you think this could be improved upon?


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« Reply #142 on: August 15, 2010, 09:11:38 PM »
Wow that last one is incredible!  So great to see so much progress in such a short time.  I only hope that I can do the same in my future experiments!  Nicely done...


How do you like working with the sourdough starter?  Would you recommend it?

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« Reply #143 on: August 18, 2010, 06:24:20 PM »
Thanks guys ! , i have the recipe i used and have repeated the results with the oven .
around 540 stone temp oven off for 5 minute, broiler on, load pie broiler off after 2 . rotate after 1 more minute broiler on for 30sec-1 min and off for the remainder.
about 6 minutes total.

dough recipe im going to do 2nite without any sugar which was only .2%
hydration at 62%, oil 1, salt 2, sd 8. bulk rise for 8 hours then into fridge.
the results between the 2 dough balls that were in the fridge for 8hrs vs 40 hr were pretty much the same.

when i say close to perfect, im my own toughest critic.. could have been stretched out a litter thinner, and the crust with a little more crunch 

i highly recommend using a SD starter, all it requires is taking out of the fridge 6-24hrs before use after weeks in the fridge.
and it adds way more flavor then commercial yeast. even after 6hrs ....  8)

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« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2010, 07:35:38 AM »
Thanks guys ! , i have the recipe i used and have repeated the results with the oven .
around 540 stone temp oven off for 5 minute, broiler on, load pie broiler off after 2 . rotate after 1 more minute broiler on for 30sec-1 min and off for the remainder.

One thing I've been noticing about my own and others pies is that oven spring is both a component of intense bottom AND top heat at the start of the bake.  It's a little thing and probably won't make much of a difference, but I'd try:

oven off for 5 minute, broiler on, wait 15 second, load pie broiler off after 2

so that the broiler element is glowing red as the pizza gets launched.

when i say close to perfect, im my own toughest critic.. could have been stretched out a litter thinner, and the crust with a little more crunch

I think you'll definitely see a slight improvement with a thinner stretch.  Earlier, I was tempted to recommend increasing your hydration a bit, but, generally speaking, with more water comes less crunch.

I know, for a fact, that oil promotes more even browning.  I also believe there's a chance it may promote crunch. I know it tenderizes the gluten for a softer crumb, but it might help the exterior dry out/crisp up a little better. Maybe.  One of these times, you might want to try an extreme oil (for NY) pie in the 4% realm.

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« Reply #145 on: August 20, 2010, 10:50:23 AM »
Thanks for the advice, i've got a pie to make 2nite. so im going to let the stone get to 550-560 then turn off oven and load the pie while the top element is red hot.

next batch of dough i will try upping the oil, want to see if that little bit of sugar changes anything 2nite...

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« Reply #146 on: August 23, 2010, 06:07:48 PM »
so i tried some bagged sorrento shredded moz, and it burned quickly like i thought it would on a pizza, could not cook it the extra minute i wanted to.

but it did seem like the .2%sugar browned a little more...

never made a calzone since leaning how to make pizza, so i made a moz, meatball,broccoli, pepperoni,pepper, onion cal zone with a little tomato sauce inside.
pressed this out by hand and rolled it a little bit, loaded it up, poked it with a fork a few times and sent her in for about 10 minutes @540,cycling the broiler a couple times and came out great ! ... wish i had ricotta  ::)

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« Reply #147 on: August 24, 2010, 09:16:13 PM »
MMMM. That calzone looks GREAT. Nice job.
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« Reply #148 on: August 27, 2010, 07:58:53 PM »
MMMM. That calzone looks GREAT. Nice job.

Thanks  :)

for these pizzas i used same recipe w/ 4% oil, came out really good !
will probably back it down to 3% for the next round  :pizza:


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« Reply #149 on: August 27, 2010, 11:25:11 PM »
Pie looks GREAT Sear. I would make it disappear... ;D
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