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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2010, 09:00:37 PM »
I would never put a WFO anywhere but in the primary area of entertainment outside.  If you are cooking pizza, the party is there.  If you build it on the front patio, that will be the gathering place when you cook.


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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2010, 09:35:56 PM »
I agree with you guys that the small patio upfront is too close to the sliding glass door and would cramp my style.  Since I don't have a lot of it, I need to hang on to every bit I've got.  :-D

I may have  some concrete poured next to that area upfront and build it there.  I have a decent size patio in the back with a BIG water feature and that's where we entertain.  To make pizza there, I would have to get a rolling cart and load all my dough, ingredients, pizza paraphernalia and roll it from the kitchen across the formal dining room, across the living room, and out to the back patio.  It's not that big a deal, but I'm just trying to make the best decision once.   

Here are some pics of the back patio.

1) the long walk.  Pic taken from the kitchen through the formal dining room, living room, and out the back sliding glass door.

There are 2 areas with concrete in the back patio.  The area to the left is uncovered and the right sided is covered and is about 10 feet tall like the front.   
Pics 2) and 3) are of the oncovered spot.  4) is the covered portion.  The uncovered area would make for a nice spot but again 2 obstacles.

1) gotta sell the idea to the wife
2) rolling cart across the house.  Would likely turn to a once a week ritual? 

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2010, 11:44:55 AM »
Maybe you should sell the idea to the daughter and put the WFO in place of the toys in the back :-D
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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2010, 02:02:19 PM »
I have a long walk too, maybe 100 feet from kitchen, through one set of doors and around to the oven.  I also plan on using a cart, but it is 2 steps up from back patio to house, so it will stay outside.  Last weekend for the first time I took everything outside and built the pizzas there instead of walking them from the kitchen to oven on the peel.  It made a big difference.

The right side of the back patio looks good if you do not have a window in the way on that wall.

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2010, 09:53:40 AM »

I just recently put in a WFO, and would be a little worried about putting it under a covered patio, expecially if your wind patterns are unpredictable!

When I put in my oven I was worried about size, but as others have noted you do not need massive size when pizzas are done in 90 secs.  While I'm new at this, I don't even try to make more than one pie at a time, don't really need to.

I'm lucky enough to have a small fridge in my outdoor kitchen, that allows me to keep all my dough balls and ingredients at the site of the pizza oven, I did not know how much I'd love having that fridge for entertaining  when I put it in.

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2010, 11:09:10 PM »
JT,
I would think Pipe definitely through the roof and  larger back area.Yes toys out- full kitchen in  :D   How about the Gas log spot right behind kitchen table above more toys? with some  modifications and $$ that looks like the ideal spot! I am also lucky enough to have built an entire outdoor kitchen (including the Lynxx 48" prosear grill)  to work from, and still find myself going in for the occasional, something. No matter where you put it. You will work it out, and based on your posts I would not discourage you from getting the Super duper model. But its a hard sell. Go for at minimum 36 inches inside as mentioned 42" low dome  is perfect for residential use. It takes a lot of room for the ingredients prep area Landing are etc... I have seen some beautiful ovens with no place to even make 2 pizzas and portable  PVC table set up for work surface?
Just think out all the possibilities. Lay it out with newspaper, on the ground to see the floor space it occupies and DO IT but dont rush it. Keep making those beauties in the home oven. 
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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2010, 02:44:05 AM »
JConk - I have also briefly considered in indoor oven before but couldn't really come up with a good place to put it.  I've looked around the kitchen a bit and briefly considered moving the sink and placing it there....but that would be too much work re-routing things.

After reading your post, I decided to seriously consider that spot next to the fireplace.  It's definitely an option as  I can pipe the exhaust right through that wall to the outside easily.  So I pitched the idea to the wife and she said, "hmmm let me think about that for a bit...".

I then walked over to that area trying to imagine a WFO, turned around and what do I see?  The hutch area on the other side of the room.  Take a look... 

1) hutch area 70" across, 50" from the front to back.  Should be enough room for a WFO right?
2) otherside of the wall where that hutch is.  This is also part of the front patio.   I can probably vent straight up through the ceiling.  Nothing but tile and sky above that. 

Pluses:
-It's inside so I can bake whenever I want to.  Wouldn't have to contend with the elements.
-No taking long walks to the oven.  It would be right there next to my kitchen!
-would look really cool in the house.  It perhaps could be the perfect spot!  ;D

Minuses?
-heat up the house in the summer time?  But then again it would be a plus during the winter.
-a bit more costly than I had in mind.
-To the left of that hutch area leads to the front door.  To the right is the kitchen.   Would the oven block a bit of that archway leading to the front door?  Who cares right?  :-D

Thoughts???
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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2010, 02:49:24 AM »
Another spot for the indoor oven in the formal dining room would be next to the fireplace Jconk suggested or in the other corner of the room.   

Also here is a pic of the sink area that I briefly considered placing the WFO and moving the sink somewhere...

The sink area looks into the formal dining room and you can see it in pic #2.


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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2010, 05:20:50 AM »
Chau, I see your house is littered with those damn plastic toys too! :o
Feed some of those to your WFO! :-D (Can I send you some of the ones in my house too?) ;D

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2010, 09:03:15 AM »
chau,
for planning at this stage I would use a 6' square area for the oven and a 6' square area for work zone - with a prep table adjacent to one side of that area about 2' deep.

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2010, 11:31:12 AM »
You should just plop one of these bad boys in your house. http://www.dissapore.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_3652.jpg.

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2010, 11:40:21 AM »
Paul, I try to put a limit to their toys but I guess even kids need toys like their daddy.  :-D

Wheelman - thanks for the dimensions,  looks like that spot is definitely big enough for a WFO.   I can build a work station to the left of the oven against the wall (next to the arch) or just use that area that extends beyond the sink into the dining room.   That's maybe a 5 foot walk to the oven.   I can also build pies on the dining room table.  These places wouldn't be ideal if we were eating at the table. 

David, those are cool!  Remind how much they go for again?  ::)

I think I want a low ceiling oven.  Not sure if it will be worth it to build it myself or buy a prefab.  I'm sure advantages and disadvantages to both.

Chau

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2010, 12:12:16 PM »
Chau, not to rain on your parade, but....  Your going to carry the firewood into the house and then carry the ashes out?  Also the vent (flue, I believe) is at the top front of the oven.  Your going to vent that to the outside?  Just curious.  Pre-fab units are available from Chicago Brick Oven, but they don't say about putting one in the home.  http://www.chicagobrickoven.com/brick_oven_products.html

During startup, before the oven starts to draft correctly, I'll bet smoke comes out the mouth of the oven.  And while your back is turned a hot ember jumps out onto the floor?  I personally wouldn't take the risk.
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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2010, 12:40:34 PM »
David, those are cool!  Remind how much they go for again?  ::)

External diameter cm. 110
Inside diameter cm. 80
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External diameter cm. 140
Inside diameter cm. 105
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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2010, 12:57:18 PM »
Chau, not to rain on your parade, but....  Your going to carry the firewood into the house and then carry the ashes out?  Also the vent (flue, I believe) is at the top front of the oven.  Your going to vent that to the outside?  Just curious.  Pre-fab units are available from Chicago Brick Oven, but they don't say about putting one in the home.  http://www.chicagobrickoven.com/brick_oven_products.html

During startup, before the oven starts to draft correctly, I'll bet smoke comes out the mouth of the oven.  And while your back is turned a hot ember jumps out onto the floor?  I personally wouldn't take the risk.

All good points Jet deck.  I know very little about WFO's and have much researching to do.  A little while back my wife and I were house hunting and walked into a home with a WFO in the kitchen.  I didn't look at it carefully but figure it's been done before therefore these things can be worked out. 

That's why I'm posting here.  To get ideas, warnings, precautions, expert advice, etc.   Thanks for the input.  I haven't decide this is what I will do, just that this spot seemed to be a perfect spot for an oven. 

As far as carrying wood and removing ash, I'd have to do that no matter where the oven is, inside or out.  As far as keeping wood in the house, maybe a big bin under the oven with a tight fitting lid to keep any bugs from getting in or out. 

I'm sure there is an electrical fan/vent I can install (somehow) to vent the smoke out during the initial startup much like a vent oven the home stove.  I can also place a screened cover around the opening to prevent embers from jumping out. 

Keep the ideas coming guys.   For the time being, I'm making some pretty good pies in the MBE, so I may not need one of these.  :-D  I want one though.  ;D
Chau
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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2010, 01:29:15 PM »
I may not need one of these.  :-D  I want one though.  ;D

Its like Jay Leno, he doesn't need 100 something cars, he just has to have them.

On the smoke coming out of the oven entrance. I don't think you would need a fan or anything if the oven is inside the house. There wouldn't be any wind blowing around like outside so the smoke wouldn't come flying out the entrance. Same thing like in a pizzeria just goes straight up and out.

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2010, 01:59:52 PM »
Mugnaini has a bunch of photos of inside installations: http://www.mugnaini.com/taxonomy/term/29


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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2010, 09:05:57 AM »
JT,
 I like that area as well should work fine. Bottom Line is anything is possible. When you go inside your costs $$ go up quite quickly, and there will be some smoke issues at some point. Never mind the permitts etc.. With The money spent could get you on of those top of the line beauties posted by Brickstone. You will become worthy very quickly I am sure, and the Bosch will be a burnin  :-D  My next house will have a carefully planned indoor WFO in the kitchen area will design the kitchen around it ! but that may be
Good luck planning there are many other good woodfired sites worth a look for ideas as well.
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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2010, 01:11:34 PM »
Chau put it on the first patio you took pictures of. here is a pre assembled oven from forno bravo that you can have a stand built for it and if you ever have to leave your house you can take it with you . building one in your house will cost way more then $3,500.The best time to build a wfo in the house is when your building the house and it is designed to accommodate it. have fun fc
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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2010, 01:27:07 PM »
Thanks guys, I was figuring it would cost a lot more.  Really just the additional cost of having it vented through the ceiling and then maybe some nice brick/rock structure built around it like those fancy fire places.   Hmmm.....decisions decisions...

FCbuilder - so your vote is for the front patio over the back patio correct?

The other questions I had for anyone with a WFO in an enclosed space is that if I decide to cook ribs or a brisket with the residual heat, do you think it would smell up the house if the WFO is inside?  Or would most of the aromas get vented out if I covered up mouth of the WFO? 

Thanks a lot.

Chau

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2010, 01:39:23 PM »
I agree.  Retrofitting a wfo to an existing kitchen can be costly, including many modifications required to the kitchen to meet code.  I think the most practical way to add a wfo is if you have a large empty kitchen wall where there is nothing behind it but the outdoors.

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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2010, 01:39:54 PM »
Is that patio in the front of the house? if so probably not ,you will be having a gathering of people watching you cook and also you will have to make pizzas for the whole neighborhood!! then the other patio would be my spot. fc

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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2010, 01:48:05 PM »
Yes it's the front patio.  Not a ton of space.  i would have to pour a slab next to the spot where the primo grill sits.    It would be a nice direct route to the kitchen just beyond the sliding glass door.

The backyard is a nice option as well.  Spacious and i can put in a small kitchen back there or bar area with a small fridge for keeping ingredients cold until the bake. 

I have considered building or having one built on a rolling cart so should I ever have to move I can take it.  These things are pretty heavy by the time it is all said and done right?  Are we looking at a cart that can hold 600-800lbs? maybe more? 

I was thinking of a cart made out of synthetic wood.  Or have a custom stainless steel cart made.   If it's on a cart, I can move it around the backyard a bit until we decide on the final spot and have the bar area attached to it.  Then i can just brick around the oven to hide the cart.

Thanks a lot for everyone's input.  It's very helpful. 


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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2010, 01:50:10 PM »
I just took this picture of my setup . The girls had to be in the picture..oops there's a boy in the picture also. :-D

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Re: Newbie WFO questions and answers
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2010, 01:53:46 PM »
Chau,

You are aware that you live in an area which enforces a "no-burn program" during certain days in the winter?

http://www.cabq.gov/airquality/noburn.html

 
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