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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2010, 05:58:09 PM »
Is 16 inch the maximum size for a pie with that oven?

After Matt posted the oven I did some searching. I found the one that Matt got and the same company makes a bigger one at 25"WX24"D. Here is a link. http://cgi.ebay.com/COUNTERTOP-PIZZA-OVEN-PD14-A-400-/260682397618?pt=BI_Commercial_Ovens_Ranges&hash=item3cb1e1b7b2 and they have another one with a little window. http://cgi.ebay.com/COUNTERTOP-PIZZA-OVEN-PD14-B-M-400-/260683291540?pt=BI_Commercial_Ovens_Ranges&hash=item3cb1ef5b94


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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2010, 06:24:22 PM »
Matt,

I really like that oven. X-mas is just a round the corner, right?  ;D

Plus, shipping shouldn't be that much since they are in California and only have to ship it up the coast.
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2010, 06:37:53 PM »
How does the top element heat? is it IR?

How long must we wait to see your pizze? ;D

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2010, 06:44:07 PM »
Matt,

I really like that oven. X-mas is just a round the corner, right?  ;D

Plus, shipping shouldn't be that much since they are in California and only have to ship it up the coast.

Ya man go for it.  Shipping will be really cheap.

Matt


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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2010, 06:50:27 PM »
Ya man go for it.  Shipping will be really cheap.

Matt



I have to figure out the 240 V issue, though. I don't think my apartment has that kind of power, which sucks.
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2010, 06:51:52 PM »
How does the top element heat? is it IR?

How long must we wait to see your pizze? ;D

AZ



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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2010, 06:53:58 PM »
I have to figure out the 240 V issue, though. I don't think my apartment has that kind of power, which sucks.

I had my electrician install a new 220V outlet on its own 15 amp breaker.

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2010, 06:56:17 PM »
I had my electrician install a new 220V outlet on its own 15 amp breaker.


I don't think our management would allow that. Maybe get one of those transformers I showed you before you installed the extra line.

How much was shipping to NY if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2010, 07:42:23 PM »
After Matt posted the oven I did some searching. I found the one that Matt got and the same company makes a bigger one at 25"WX24"D. Here is a link. http://cgi.ebay.com/COUNTERTOP-PIZZA-OVEN-PD14-A-400-/260682397618?pt=BI_Commercial_Ovens_Ranges&hash=item3cb1e1b7b2 and they have another one with a little window. http://cgi.ebay.com/COUNTERTOP-PIZZA-OVEN-PD14-B-M-400-/260683291540?pt=BI_Commercial_Ovens_Ranges&hash=item3cb1ef5b94
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Thanks for posting those links.That said,they are alot more expensive,I did not see a buy it now so i guess it will be a bidding deal.
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2010, 07:46:36 PM »
I think you would be safe to bid on it and not worry about anyone else. There have been zero bids since I looked at it last week.

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2010, 07:53:39 PM »
I don't think our management would allow that. Maybe get one of those transformers I showed you before you installed the extra line.

How much was shipping to NY if you don't mind me asking?

It draws a constant 10 amps of power so it would only work if the rest of the load on that breaker is less than 5 amps (providing that it is wired to a 15amp breaker)  I'm not sure about the electrical code in the US but in Canada the split kitchen receptacles must be 220V.  If that it the case in the US then you can convert any plug located around the kitchen countertop to 220V. 
Shipping to Niagara Falls, NY was $100.

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2010, 07:56:02 PM »
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Thanks for posting those links.That said,they are alot more expensive,I did not see a buy it now so i guess it will be a bidding deal.


You can contact him directly if you want & work something out; his name is Ming.  Bare in mind that the larger unit draws almost double the amperage.

Matt

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2010, 08:04:36 PM »
It draws a constant 10 amps of power so it would only work if the rest of the load on that breaker is less than 5 amps (providing that it is wired to a 15amp breaker)  I'm not sure about the electrical code in the US but in Canada the split kitchen receptacles must be 220V.  If that it the case in the US then you can convert any plug located around the kitchen countertop to 220V. 
Shipping to Niagara Falls, NY was $100.

Matt

Matt,

Thanks for the heads-up on this, Bro.

I'd have to check and see what I got. However, one of my neighbors is an electrician and we're getting along pretty well so I might ask him to take a look at it.

$100?? That's it? To NY? That's a deal...
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2010, 09:05:18 PM »
In the US the receptacles are single phase 110v and almost always only one circuit has been run from the panel so you cannot convert over to 220. Another line would have to be run from the panel. The only 220 circuit in the kitchen tends to be for the range. Either way it means $$ to get the setup for the counter top oven.( unless you know how to do it your self, however I do not recommend this for the everyday DIY guy )  35 years electrical experience. 8)
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2010, 10:29:08 PM »
In the US the receptacles are single phase 110v and almost always only one circuit has been run from the panel so you cannot convert over to 220. Another line would have to be run from the panel. The only 220 circuit in the kitchen tends to be for the range. Either way it means $$ to get the setup for the counter top oven.( unless you know how to do it your self, however I do not recommend this for the everyday DIY guy )  35 years electrical experience. 8)

Jeep,
My house has central heat and air..that said we still have the electric coiled wall heaters built into the walls that run off 220 volts to the fuse box.There are two of them with their own 220 circuits.

We do not use the wall heaters anymore,but they do work if we switch them ON.Btw,this is in the USA if it matters.

That said,could an electrician use this already wired 220 set up down at the box and use the current wires or run new wires into the kitchen somewhere if we bought a stove like posted above?We don't need the wall heaters and never use them anyway.

Just wondering what you thought.

-Bill
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2010, 11:11:06 PM »
In the US the receptacles are single phase 110v and almost always only one circuit has been run from the panel so you cannot convert over to 220. Another line would have to be run from the panel. The only 220 circuit in the kitchen tends to be for the range. Either way it means $$ to get the setup for the counter top oven.( unless you know how to do it your self, however I do not recommend this for the everyday DIY guy )  35 years electrical experience. 8)

Jeep,

What about using a step up/step down transformer that converts from 110 V to 220/240V such as this one

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=110+to+240V+transformer&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivs&resnum=3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11970344331952328475&ei=DZjHTPaoB4X2tgPOmOziDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CF0Q8wIwBA#
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2010, 05:39:53 AM »
Jeep,
My house has central heat and air..that said we still have the electric coiled wall heaters built into the walls that run off 220 volts to the fuse box.There are two of them with their own 220 circuits.

We do not use the wall heaters anymore,but they do work if we switch them ON.Btw,this is in the USA if it matters.

That said,could an electrician use this already wired 220 set up down at the box and use the wires or run new wires into the kitchen somewhere if we bought a stove like posted above?We don't need the wall heaters and never use them anyway.

Just wondering what you thought.

-Bill

Bill,
You could use the current wire if you have an electrician disconnect the wall heater & use the wire to install a receptacle at that location.  If you're planning on using a different location, then you will have to run a new wire from the fuse box.  The receptacle will look like this & you will have to buy the corresponding plug for the oven.

Matt
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2010, 09:57:34 AM »
Matt,
wow another toy ! I am still working on the oliera for you says they can be imported. anyway good luck sunday! going with a Lehman formula? High gluten? maybe a touch of Caputo? cant wait enjoy!
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2010, 11:11:53 AM »
Jeep,
My house has central heat and air..that said we still have the electric coiled wall heaters built into the walls that run off 220 volts to the fuse box.There are two of them with their own 220 circuits.

We do not use the wall heaters anymore,but they do work if we switch them ON.Btw,this is in the USA if it matters.

That said,could an electrician use this already wired 220 set up down at the box and use the current wires or run new wires into the kitchen somewhere if we bought a stove like posted above?We don't need the wall heaters and never use them anyway.

Just wondering what you thought.

-Bill


   Bill,
  The panel should be able to handle the change from feeding the electric heaters to an outlet with no problem. Your electrician will make sure that the wire is sized to enable it to handle the amperage draw of the new outlet and all should be fine. It is good that you are going to be able to make use of the old wall heater for something so enjoyable. :pizza:
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2010, 11:15:12 AM »
Matt,
wow another toy ! I am still working on the oliera for you says they can be imported. anyway good luck sunday! going with a Lehman formula? High gluten? maybe a touch of Caputo? cant wait enjoy!
John

Ha....You remembered.....Good man!  To be honest I have never tried Lehman.  Will probably go with a Manitoba/Caputo blend Sourdough, not sure what proportions yet.

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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2010, 11:25:26 AM »
Jeep,

What about using a step up/step down transformer that converts from 110 V to 220/240V such as this one

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=110+to+240V+transformer&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivs&resnum=3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11970344331952328475&ei=DZjHTPaoB4X2tgPOmOziDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CF0Q8wIwBA#
Essen,
  I would have to do some homework on this one, I don't normally feel confortable with these types of portable transformers on potentially high amp draw circuits over long term use ( Just a personal thing). Heating elements tend to draw a lot of juice thus creating a lot of heat on the wiring if the sizing is not correct.  A number of factors come into play here 1. What is the circuit size that the transformer is being plugged into? (Most houses are set up for 15amps on the majority of the outlets, there are some exceptions) 2. What is the amp draw of the proposed oven? Then there is the energy draw of the transformer, they draw amperage in doing their job so this plays into the equation.  
With all that being said the transformer is a good short term fix but in no way a perminant solution. Short term = 6 months or less.     Just my 2 cents worth :)
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2010, 11:27:44 AM »
Matt,
wow another toy ! I am still working on the oliera for you says they can be imported. anyway good luck sunday! going with a Lehman formula? High gluten? maybe a touch of Caputo? cant wait enjoy!
John
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2010, 12:11:02 PM »
Scott,
You're not kidding.  In half hour the temp was at 975 & climbing.  The top thermostat had shut off but the bottom was still on.  A few more minutes & I could of easily hit 1000 degrees.  I'm impressed!

Matt

wow, it sounds like that puppy gets even hotter than mine  :-[   

Im definitely very interested in how hot you can get an EVEN bake. I think you are going to be able to do better than I can because your elements are exposed, where my top elements are behind a metal sheet.   Its really tricky in these ovens, and the best way for me to get the fastest pizza is still my old tried and true cleaning cycle trick of having the oven on full blast and sliding in a thin room temp stone in a few minutes before the pizza goes in.    I can do a 2 minute pizza with this method, but if I try to put the pizza on the stone that belongs to the oven the highest temp I can get an even top/bottom bake is about 675-700 floor, which is more in the coal oven range of 3-4 minutes.

Once you have spent some time experimenting please let  me know what your highest oven temp is that will allow an even top/bottom bake.   I hope im not asking too much, but if you could pm me it would be great because I often cant check the forum for a few weeks at a time and loose track of threads.    Thanks Matt!
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2010, 07:33:16 PM »
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Re: High Temp Countertop Oven
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2010, 01:25:36 AM »
Matt, how about a few words about this device.  Can you give us some more detail about what you've discovered w/ regard to the historically problematic issue of the temp above the pie being significantly hotter than the baking stone surface?  Have you taken some temp readings in various places?  How much pre-heat time to get to xx temp?  How hot does the outside get?  Much issue w/ temperature control/regulation?

Right now I cook in my hacked oven during the winter months, but it's difficult still to get the temp above the baking stone just right. 

Be great to hear some more detail on this product.

Thanks Matt,

Noel
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