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Offline Jackie Tran

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #280 on: March 11, 2012, 05:13:05 PM »
Michael, a difference in softness is a difference in texture and not flavor, but there will be a slight difference in flavor between a 3 vs 8 hr dough.  A difference in texture does play a role in a perceived difference in taste, just as smells also perceivably affect taste.  

Imo, not much difference in CY or IDY.  Some yes, but big difference in flavor no.  For a long fermented dough, lower hydration and knead a bit more or keep the kneading the same and add in a few folds later in the process.  But please test these things out and then make your decision.

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #281 on: March 11, 2012, 06:35:42 PM »
Wow i was thinking that the more time the more water needed:)
Chau its ok i will test everything and i want your recomendetion.
Because of you i scored at the right pizza dont forget it.
So to 24 hours dough how much water do you recomend? Lets say 55% for test 1?
When to make folds?
And one more importent thing that i never got to understand to degas or not when doing so and what is the diference?
I will test everything and i am sure that i will get the feel of whats right for me or not but i want to follow your leads to new place ( like the 100% caputo in baking time around 3 minutes:))
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #282 on: March 11, 2012, 08:35:29 PM »
55% hydratio is a good place to start if you are going to make a 24 hour dough.  You will also need to cut back your yeast quite a bit.  This I can not tell you where to start, you will have to test and adjust.  I would start with maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of the amount you have been using for a 8 hour dough.   Keep everything about your mixing process the same.   After you mix, let the dough rest about an hour, then reball it.  You can do one of two things from here...

1) Let it rest until it increases in size to the same volume as you were balling before, then divide and ball.  Let it proof up to the same volume as before and bake.

2)  Give the dough a quick or gentle reball after 3-4 more hours after the initial reball, then do the same as above. 

The reball is really just rebuilding the strength that is lost to the enzymes breaking down the down.   With caputo, I'm told there is less enzyme activity b/c there is less damage to the proteins in the flour.  I don't understand all of these things, so I just do this step by feel.   Again, play around with different reballing times or none at all and see what you like.  Good luck and let us know of your progress.

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #283 on: March 13, 2012, 06:15:55 PM »
ok
i had problems to upload photos last night from my iphone so now i am on the laptop so i its ok.
many pizzas in the last days...
yesterday test...
i wanted to make parallel dough to the 8h caputo that i did with the stybel
so my conclusions are : the caputo is mush better in every aspect!
all total the pizza was good and tasty but to my expectations the caputo is better.
once you got used to chew caputo the stybel is not an option any more.
that explaine why we dont have good pizza here in israel. and just to remined that is the reason why i started this journey of making pizza.
100% stybel 2 flour
61% water
0.6% fresh yeast
1.5% sugar
2.8% salt
same mix...
1 hour rest then ball
same baking broil setup
same baking time 3:40
the caputo is much better!
one thing good
after finding the caputo i started usind the broil setup and that upgraded my pizza.
even now that i tasted and see the pizza, this stybel pizza its much better then the pizzas i was making.
that means that in total learning progress is happening to while i make pizzas all the time.
even the sauce is much better now.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 07:45:35 AM by msheetrit »
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #284 on: March 13, 2012, 06:35:05 PM »
here more from this pie
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #285 on: March 13, 2012, 06:36:07 PM »
and the last one

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #286 on: March 13, 2012, 06:37:06 PM »
55% hydratio is a good place to start if you are going to make a 24 hour dough.  You will also need to cut back your yeast quite a bit.  This I can not tell you where to start, you will have to test and adjust.  I would start with maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of the amount you have been using for a 8 hour dough.   Keep everything about your mixing process the same.   After you mix, let the dough rest about an hour, then reball it.  You can do one of two things from here...

1) Let it rest until it increases in size to the same volume as you were balling before, then divide and ball.  Let it proof up to the same volume as before and bake.

2)  Give the dough a quick or gentle reball after 3-4 more hours after the initial reball, then do the same as above.  

The reball is really just rebuilding the strength that is lost to the enzymes breaking down the down.   With caputo, I'm told there is less enzyme activity b/c there is less damage to the proteins in the flour.  I don't understand all of these things, so I just do this step by feel.   Again, play around with different reballing times or none at all and see what you like.  Good luck and let us know of your progress.

Chau
after finishing last night pizza i rushed into the kitchen for round 3!!
i searched the kitchen and i found last bag of blue ap caputo flour!! 270gr...last 270gr
so i took 2500gr and strated to make the batch ready to 24 hour room tem rise.

100% ap caputo
55% 35cl deg water
0.08 fresh yeast dissolved in water (0.21 gram)
3% salt
3% sugar
same mix time...
1 hour rest then balled. after 12 hours couple folds and balled.
then i noticed the fermention is too slow even that the room temp is 22cl and also that the dough has 3%sugar in it.
maybe it got somthing to do with the caputo because this never happened before, on the contrary with other flour in the past i had to slow down the procces.
so i heated the oven 50cl 2 minute and put ed the box in it and it start to gain more speed after 24 hours the dough was ready for baking.
i was thinking as i was saying that to 24 hour rise i should up the water and chau you told me to go less. i would never think to do it for by self...
while opening the skin it felt like 70%!!!
next time i am thinking about 52% or even 50% :)
the oven spring is not high, this i got used to from the ap flour.
the pizza was somthing that i dident expect from.
it was a m a z i n g!!! i love the caputo flour it has super powers!
if someone had served me this pizza with this topping
block mozz, marined black olives, tuna, and this red pepper that after puting it on naked flame got that sweet burned taste and the sprinkled olive oil on top of everething i was defently thinking im eating pizza that made by pro.
baking pizza 3:30
very very good pizza maybe the best i ever made.
next time: same recipe with red bag caputo and the good block mozz that i used to eat.
i made this efforts for you guys to see so please tell me what you think:) 


« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM by msheetrit »
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #287 on: March 13, 2012, 06:42:08 PM »
Thats great that your pizza keeps getting better and better.  ;D  I am also very happy when I feel like I get a pro result.   Can you tell me what you liked better about this result compared to your 8 or 12h pizzas?  Is the texture different? Softer? More flavor? Better color?

For your next batch, if using the same flour and workflow, you might want to increase the yeast a little bit.  I would keep the hydration the same and just ball more aggressively at 12h and maybe another gentle reball at the 18th or 20th hour.  Try one or the other but not both.

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #288 on: March 14, 2012, 06:42:58 AM »
Better color and more flavor.
I will do so
I cant wait to make another one i was very suprised...
You were saying that at the begining you also though that 8 hours is the idial time and after you learned more how to control and adjust you liked better the long rise.
So this is whats hapening to me now.
Chau my learning procces is very good because of many things that you thought me on the way.
Thank you very much for everthing!
michael

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #289 on: March 14, 2012, 06:46:33 AM »
Pie looks great. It appears that you got a lot more color on the rim with the red Caputo. Did it have more crunch then the other pies?
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #290 on: March 14, 2012, 07:02:27 AM »
This was the blue ap
No its just color! That the beauty of it.
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #291 on: March 14, 2012, 07:12:31 AM »
This was the blue ap
No its just color! That the beauty of it.

Yes blue ap, sorry for the mistake. Looks like it was extra crispy. Great job.
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #292 on: March 14, 2012, 07:43:00 AM »
Its looks like it but it wasent crispy at all
Thank you
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #293 on: March 14, 2012, 08:02:56 AM »
ok
i had problems to upload photos last night from my iphone so now i am on the laptop so i its ok.
many pizzas in the last days...
yesterday test...
i wanted to make parallel dough to the 8h caputo that i did with the stybel
so my conclusions are : the caputo is mush better in every aspect!
all total the pizza was good and tasty but to my expectations the caputo is better.
once you got used to chew caputo the stybel is not an option any more.
that explaine why we dont have good pizza here in israel. and just to remined that is the reason why i started this journey of making pizza.
100% stybel 2 flour
61% water
0.6% fresh yeast
1.5% sugar
2.8% salt
same mix...
1 hour rest then ball
same baking broil setup
same baking time 3:40
the caputo is much better!
one thing good
after finding the caputo i started usind the broil setup and that upgraded my pizza.
even now that i tasted and see the pizza, this stybel pizza its much better then the pizzas i was making.
that means that in total learning progress is happening to while i make pizzas all the time.
even the sauce is much better now.

By mistakei posted in this post another pizza, this is the one. The same as posted in reply 284 ( ideleted the wrong one)
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #294 on: March 15, 2012, 01:08:00 PM »
Just bought 2kg redbag caputo, i drove half an a hour for the special store.
I am making the batch for tommorow pizza night, my brother and he's girlfriend come over to eat my pizza for the first time!
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #295 on: March 15, 2012, 01:11:52 PM »
Thats great that your pizza keeps getting better and better.  ;D  I am also very happy when I feel like I get a pro result.   Can you tell me what you liked better about this result compared to your 8 or 12h pizzas?  Is the texture different? Softer? More flavor? Better color?

For your next batch, if using the same flour and workflow, you might want to increase the yeast a little bit.  I would keep the hydration the same and just ball more aggressively at 12h and maybe another gentle reball at the 18th or 20th hour.  Try one or the other but not both.


i think i would go on the 12 hour aggressively and up the yeast to 0.2%
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #296 on: March 15, 2012, 06:25:45 PM »
I feel like i am on twiter...
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After making the batch for tommorow with red bag
I have to say that i forgot that this kind absorb more water. It feels like 45% and not 55%
but i am sure by the time it will be ready for baking it will feels like 60%
i cut back the sugar and uped the yeast
100% red bag caputo
55% water
0.2% fresh yeast
2.8% salt
1.5% sugar
Couple folds after kneading, rest one hour, devide and balled.
I am hoping to get high ovenspring in the crust.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 06:30:50 PM by msheetrit »
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #297 on: March 16, 2012, 07:15:49 AM »
Michael,
 People respond better to pictures rather than plain text, unless of course they are arguing with someone! ;)
You make a beautiful pizza and I'm sure your brother and his girlfriend will love it.

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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #298 on: March 19, 2012, 06:18:22 PM »
Thank you very much ev!

Well they did loved the pizza my brother ate pizza like he never tasted pizza before and hes girlfreind also.

It was good but i look at things diferent than them, the dough was to strong for my taste.
I think it needed more water and i am talking about the red bag also for my taste in 24 hour rise i like better 1 gram on 1kg flour and then 2gr like this time.
I am going to take litle break from baking i think i got to the point where i need to learn more to climb up i want to learn more about pizza with straters.
To trully understand the principle below things.
But i am sure i will make more pizzas in a week or less.
I cant find san marzano tomatows here fresh or canned.
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Re: my latest pizza
« Reply #299 on: April 01, 2012, 05:53:55 PM »
This pies
Were 24 hours room temp
100% caputo red bag
60% water 40cl deg
0.1% fresh yeast
2% sugar
3% salt
Balled after 12 hours gently.
Ok...
This was too much i need to go down litle bit maybe 55% water again.
As for balling maybe after 18 hours
The dough was to easy to open, the pizza was super thin but i wasent happy with crust.
Not enough oven spring at all. I want it to be more airy.
After 24 hour the balls start to buble like starters almost.
I was happy to test the diference between last pies with55 and this 60.
Maybe some help about oven spring and airy crust?
I got the black spot:)
Fresh mozz
« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 05:57:26 PM by msheetrit »
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