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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2011, 05:22:22 PM »
i used this for a while here in brazil, the problem was it made allot of flaky coal that just kept the oven dirty..... maybe you could start the fire with that, just scoop out the flaky coal before you start burning the good wood....
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2011, 10:53:06 PM »
Some say don't use elm and others say it's okay.  It's free so I'm not complaining.  Would I be able to get up to temps of 800 or so with elm?  Or would it be a futile effort?  I'd like to know before I spend the effort of bringing too much of it back to my yard. 

I'm  confused. Spend $1000's on a ODK, put tireless effort into your dough, and then not spend a couple bucks to have the wood you want? Why? I can get a 1/2 cord of seasoned oak here for $90. Pecan for $120. Is it that much more other places?

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2011, 11:06:15 PM »
Craig,  It sounds crazy,  but as I told Chau earlier,  I dont like burning money,  which is what I equate burning wood with.  I have no problem with the investments to get there,  but when the fuel has little to no direct effect on the finished product,  why spend the money.  I have burned ash,red oak, maple, poplar, birch, hickory, apple, white oak, pine during warmup,  and I am sure a couple others that are slipping my mind right now,  and none have ever come close to giving me this wood tastes good,  or this wood sucks.  IMO it is nothing like BBQ,  there is very very litle flavor contribution to a pizza given to it from the wood.  When you get yours going you will see the line between smoke and superheated air about 5 inches off your oven floor.  There is just no smoke there.  As long as you wood is dry,  and you have plenty of it,  you should be happy.  The one disclaimer I have is that there may be some noxious wood out there that I have not encountered that will add an undesireable tatse to pizza,  but i have not found it.  Thats all I got.  -marc

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2011, 11:18:48 PM »
I'm  confused. Spend $1000's on a ODK, put tireless effort into your dough, and then not spend a couple bucks to have the wood you want? Why? I can get a 1/2 cord of seasoned oak here for $90. Pecan for $120. Is it that much more other places?

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Craig, the cost of wood varies from state to state as you well know.  If I could get a cord of seasoned oak for $180, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.   :-D

Here's the current affair on hardwoods in Albuquerque.   There is only 1 person that has 1/2 cord of oak 20 miles away for $180 pick up.  I have no trailer or truck.  I could rent one but am looking at other options first.    

One other guy has some oak but is only selling it to folks for smoking.  He is selling it by the cubic foot and wants around $1200 a cord.  I'm not kidding you either.  

Bill has some contacts in SF, but I haven't inquired about delivery to Albuquerque.  It's about $350 a cord.  Not bad.

The only other hardwoods available for sale through CL in Alb. right now is a guy that has elm for $290 a cord.  He also has a mulberry tree that is down but he hasn't processed it yet.  Once he does, I'll buy what he has of it for $160 per half cord or $290/cord.  But right at this moment he hasn't processed it yet.  

So my options right now are either pay $290 for a cord of elm, or get it for free.   What would you do?  :P  If the free elm doesn't work out then I'll likely look into having oak delivered from SF if they deliver to Albuquerque.  

I plan on buying hardwoods where and when I can, but if I can get free elm to warm the oven up and then cook with oak or mulberry, why would I not do that?

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2011, 11:22:38 PM »
I can get a 1/2 cord of seasoned oak here for $90. Is it that much more other places?

Holy crap really $90 for 1/2 cord of oak. I wish I lived in TX. It was like $400 for a cord of oak. Friggin MA everything is so damn expensive here.

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2011, 11:23:29 PM »
Marc,

You've found split, seasoned wood for free? If so, at what cost of your time?

Pine doesn't leave tar in your oven?

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2011, 12:02:16 AM »
Please forgive me. I sometimes (often) forget there is a world outside of Texas  :)

I feel your pain. I do. I have at least 10 places within 30 miles where I can get a 1/2 cord of oak for less than $150 - most places are well under that. And, most of us have a truck (even the docs) to pick things up and move them around. And, that's just if I need it now.

When I'm at my deer lease in West TX, I can get all the seasoned pecan and mesquite I want for free (every year before I leave, I cut down enough trees for the next year and let them dry for the following year). Or, I can drive to my parents place in East TX and get all the green oak, cherry, and hickory (and pine of course) I want for free. I just have to cut and split it (and wait for a year to use it). I have 2 huge downed oaks waiting on my chainsaw right now. No rot, perfectly white, perfectly straight grained oak. Bonus, dad had a hydraulic splitter.

Here's a couple cords of pecan at the every day low price of $0 - each enough firewood for a 4-day hunt. Yes, we burn at least 1/4 cord of wood in the fire every day of the hunt - sometimes a lot more than that. I almost feel guilty after hearing what you guys have to pay for wood  :-[ Bonus 2, the boys are getting big enough to do some of the work.

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2011, 12:21:25 AM »
Here's the current affair on hardwoods in Albuquerque.   There is only 1 person that has 1/2 cord of oak 20 miles away for $180 pick up.  I have no trailer or truck.  I could rent one but am looking at other options first.    

If it comes down to renting a truck, you might check out Home Depot. I've seen trucks parked at the stores down here with signs saying you can rent them by the hour for $19 if I remember right.

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2011, 12:57:51 AM »
I'll check into that but not hopeful.   When we moved in our current house last year, we had a bunch of boxes and garbage that needed to go to the city dump.  I rented one of the smaller uhauls for 3-4 hours for $75.  

You are so lucky to get pecan for free.  That is my favorite smoking wood. 

Craig, check out this listing and tell me what you think.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/for/2280045746.html

He's not interested in delivering but the stack is 4' high by 8' long.   18-22" wide.  1800-2200 lbs.  The dimensions sound like 1/2 cord to me.  $360/cord not delivered doesn't sound like a deal though.   If I am wrong about the the quantity and it's closer to 3/4 or a full cord then maybe I can offer him more for delivery.   Is the weight consistent with a 1/2 cord or does that sound like more than 1/2cord of oak?

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2011, 09:12:54 AM »
1/2 cord - 4'x2'x8'. 

pecan is my favorite too.  i switch to that after i get the oven all ready to go with oak and hickory.  I'll also agree that i can't tell the difference in taste from any kind of hardwood in the WFO. 
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2011, 10:09:17 AM »
Chau,

That sound like a little less than 1/2 cord. A cord is 4x4x8 (stacked tight). This is less than 2x4x8.

I don't think you can go by weight unless you know if it is green or seasoned. Even then, I'm not sure you would have much to go on as I think it can vary quite a bit.

Have you called any landscape places to see if they sell firewood? Lots of them down here do. Does anything interesting come up when you google "albuquerque firewood for sale?"

I drive by a Home Depot on the way to work, and I did see a F350 flatbed with fold-down sides there this morning with a sign that said $19 for the first 75 minutes. A ton of wood would be no problem for that truck.

Good luck. Come visit me in Texas, and I'll send you home with a load... :)

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2011, 12:48:14 PM »
We have 5 Trader Joe's and 5 Home Depots/Lowe's within a 10 mile radius of where we live.  But as far as locating cords of wood at reasonable cost, forget it.  I often times just go where local restaurants pick up wood and pay $7.50 per 45lb sack (10 bag minimum, otherwise $10/bag) of whatever splits I need.
Just yesterday I picked up red oak (for tri-tips), apple, and white oak.

When I fire up the oven just for roasts and slow cooks I like to use charcoal briquettes by placing a basket of charcoal at one corner of the oven and let them burn real slow for for the duration of the cook by regulating fresh air flow into the oven using the oven door. 
I always load up on charcoal briquettes when Home Depot and Lowe's puts them on sale which is quite often.  :))

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2011, 05:53:42 PM »
Craig,  when I say pine,  I mean left over 2x4s and stuff.  No residue at all.  Once that thing hit pizza temps there is not much residue from anything.  As for free split and seasoned wood,  I have a small gas splitter that I bought,  and before that used to do it by hand with a maul.  My brother gets me wood off a gold course cut to length.  I have about 3 cords with two seasons on them waiting fot the splitter.....  But there are people up here in the norheast even that will let you take thier cut up trees away for nothing and that to me is worht the effort.  -marc

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2011, 03:23:18 PM »
Wood experts....Is there a difference in density of big giant oak trees that have been cut down versus smaller oak trees (say 8" diameter) assuming both are seasoned oak?    Will both burn similarly if you cut them down to 3-4" wide sticks?

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2011, 04:08:05 PM »
Oak is oak, if it's the same species. The thickness of the bark will be different between young and old trees.

Performance depends on water content, or lack thereof.
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2011, 12:05:06 AM »
So here's the update on my search for hard woods.  The guy with the free elm cancelled on me this past Sunday.  I'll just have to make time another day, but the elm will still be there.

I called a seller in Sante Fe and he will deliver to Alb., if and when he goes again.  He doesn't plan on going for a few more months.  

I then found another company in Albuquerque that wants $400 a cord of oak delivered.  I've been told that their oak can be "punky".

I called 2 others, and got one guy to call me back.  He has 3 cords left and normally charges $350 delivered.  He said he would knock off $20, so I said I'll take a cord if he threw in a chopping stump (thanks David!).  Done...

He showed up today with a truck load of wood.  I had him dump it on my driveway and I then spent the next 2 hours stacking wood.  It's my first cord so I was stacking it neat.  

Got done and something seemed off.  Measured it and estimated I got 3/4 of a cord and not a full cord.  4hx8lx3w.   Called the guy and he seemed honestly bewildered.  He says his truck holds a cord and spouted off the measurements.   He says I must have stacked it tight and that the stump took up a bit of room on the truck.  I told him that I'm not short a wheel barrow or 2, I'm short a 1/4 cord....unless my measuring tape is off, but I didn't think so.

He saids that he normally cuts the wood himself but he didn't cut this oak and it isn't consistent.  Some pieces are 16", some 18" and maybe they didn't stack up tight in his truck.  He said that next time he comes to town he bring me a bit more of wood.  I told him I would appreciated that but was thinking I'm not counting on that.  If he doesn't then I won't be buying wood from him again.  

I thought I was getting a good deal at $330 but it sounds like a typical $400 cord in Albuquerque.  Oh well, live and learn right?

Here's the picture....The blue tape on the wall is 4' high and 8' from the tape to the back wall.  The stack is taller in the back at about 6' but the front is empty.  So let's call that even.  The width is 3' not 4' as you can see from the tape measure on the wood.   Am I mistaken to think that a cord is 4x4x8 stacked tight and not just loosely stacked?  

 
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2011, 09:33:38 AM »
that's enough to last you a while.  most important thing is, is it nice and dry or is it green?  that makes all the difference.  my wood guy says that the bark should come off easy if it's cured.  i don't always find that to be true with oak though. 
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2011, 09:41:05 AM »
You can definitely tell your short on wood from the picture. There was wood on both sides of my shed when it was all stacked.

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2011, 09:50:48 AM »
yes Live and Learn. Wood looks decent/hard/dry ? as mentioned thats more important.  I once had a had a guy send me cord of  "hardwood" and 1/2 was pine! he replaces it but I struggled to get rid of the unusable crap
Be there when its delivered thats for sure and look before dump
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« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2011, 10:09:05 AM »
most important thing is, is it nice and dry or is it green?  that makes all the difference.  my wood guy says that the bark should come off easy if it's cured.  i don't always find that to be true with oak though.  

Just bang two logs together. Green wood will thud with a heavy, dull sound. Seasoned wood will sort of "ring" like a marimba.

It'll have a clear resonant sound. It'll reverberate in your hand. I mean you can feel the vibration. Green/wet wood will not have these characteristics. Once the bark starts coming off, it's definitely cured.
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2011, 10:30:25 AM »
The wood is definitely dry.  I was told that it was cut last September, so that would put it around 7 months.  In this very arid climate,  especially with summer approaching it will definitely be dry enough.  Several of the logs had split naturally with just some fiber shreds holding them together.  I could also separate the 2 parts by hand with just a small amount of effort.  

I have some left over oak and pecan from a few seasons ago, that I will start using first.    

Mmmph that is a great tip,  I'll bang a couple of logs together later today.  

Yeah, the wood was stacked in his truck and "looked" a lot so I didn't question it.  Next time I buy I'll be asking if it is a 'true' cord though.   I'm was just surprised with his reaction.  He said in all his years of selling wood, he's never gotten a call about being short on a cord.  Hell...I guess it's just me then.  Expecting to get what I pay for, expecting that people conduct their businesses fairly.   I did get a nice chopping stump, so I'm happy about that.  

I'm also happy to have oak to burn as oak is relatively hard to come by around here.   I'll still plan on picking up some elm for comparison.  

Oh BTW, is there such a thing as wood that is too dry or too seasoned? Will it burn up too fast if it is too dry?

Thanks for the feedback guys.
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« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2011, 10:38:40 AM »

Oh BTW, is there such a thing as wood that is too dry or too seasoned? Will it burn up too fast if it is too dry?

Kiln dried wood has usually 20%> moisture content. http://www.lifirewood.com/firewood-types.php
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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2011, 12:08:52 PM »
Oh BTW, is there such a thing as wood that is too dry or too seasoned? Will it burn up too fast if it is too dry?

Wood that has rotted and dried is just about worthless - no fuel left in it. Be sure to look to see if the wood has a spongy/crumbly look as opposed to a nice hardwood grain. It could be right under the bark or in the center or on one side or the other or the whole log.

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2011, 12:26:59 PM »
Wood that has rotted and dried is just about worthless - no fuel left in it. Be sure to look to see if the wood has a spongy/crumbly look as opposed to a nice hardwood grain. It could be right under the bark or in the center or on one side or the other or the whole log.

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Most of it looks pretty good.  I did note that some small logs had the centers rotted out or blackened out and missing.  Not sure if that is a sign of disease or not.   Again, just a few logs though.  The majority of it felt pretty solid as i was stacking them.   

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Re: What woods can I burn in a WFO?
« Reply #74 on: May 16, 2011, 10:28:24 PM »
Care package arrived today in  driveway. nice red oak perfect size and cuts from last may, so its a full year and oh yeah 0$  :P
It helps to have good customers in the business. He has a 30 acre tree farm where he is required to deal so many cords a year to get a huge tax credit? Not sure whats involved but sure am glad I am  ;)  this is beautiful stuff and when leaving he asked where he should dump tomorrows load !! Lucky me especially now that I will be burning  a bit more more this summer !
chau FYI this is a Jersey 1/2 cord retail value around $150-$175
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