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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2011, 12:41:27 AM »
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The longest one I've done is on a 7 day old dough, which has filled up the container and stopped growing, although there are gaseous bubbles in it.  I'd wait until the day of baking to reball, and I think you will be amazed how the dough comes to life and starts growing again....give it 5 or 6 hours if you can.  Also, if you wait that long, don't bother warming the dough up before opening....just take it out, dump it, form it, bake it and enjoy!!

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2011, 02:03:52 AM »
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The longest one I've done is on a 7 day old dough, which has filled up the container and stopped growing, although there are gaseous bubbles in it.  I'd wait until the day of baking to reball, and I think you will be amazed how the dough comes to life and starts growing again....give it 5 or 6 hours if you can.  Also, if you wait that long, don't bother warming the dough up before opening....just take it out, dump it, form it, bake it and enjoy!!

John

Thanks John...I would like to try that sometime soon!
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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2011, 02:05:07 PM »
Again experimenting with Reinhart's techniques and varying his recipes a bit.....in search of the KISS pizza I know is out there.  This week I'm lowering the hydration a bit, just to make the dough easier to open up...to give it a bit more body so to speak.  Here is the recipe to make 6 twelve ounce dough balls, using KABF, olive oil, cool tap water, salt and instant yeast.

Flour (100%):
Water (72.5%):
IDY (.5%):
Salt (2%):
Olive Oil (2%):
Honey (2%):
Total (179%):
Single Ball:
1185.95 g  |  41.83 oz | 2.61 lbs
859.81 g  |  30.33 oz | 1.9 lbs
5.93 g | 0.21 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.97 tsp | 0.66 tbsp
23.72 g | 0.84 oz | 0.05 lbs | 4.25 tsp | 1.42 tbsp
23.72 g | 0.84 oz | 0.05 lbs | 5.27 tsp | 1.76 tbsp
23.72 g | 0.84 oz | 0.05 lbs | 3.39 tsp | 1.13 tbsp
2122.85 g | 74.88 oz | 4.68 lbs | TF = N/A
353.81 g | 12.48 oz | 0.78 lbs

Again dumped everything in Kitchen Aid bowl....mixed 4 minutes on stir, rest 5 minutes, mixed 3 minutes on stir plus one half.  Poured dough onto a baking sheet smeared with 1 tablespoon of oil.  Did a quick stretch and fold to lightly oil the dough ball.  Scaled, balled and refrigerated.

The following pizza dough was in the fridge for only 9 hours, it was reballed 4 hours prior to baking, and brought out of refrigeration 90 minutes prior to baking.  I wasn't expecting much from this young dough, but was pleasantly surprised at it's amazing texture and good flavor.  It was baked in 550 degree deck oven.
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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2011, 03:43:10 PM »
John,

When I was experimenting with a modified Reinhart Classic dough, Peter had explained to me that if I lower the hydration and added oil and honey, it should produce a softer crumb at Reply 6 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13347.msg132167.html#msg132167 I did lower the hydration and added oil and honey at Reply 33 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13347.msg133201.html#msg133201 but they werenít the same amounts of ingredients you used, but did you notice a softer crumb with your formula?  Also what kind of flour did you use in your formula.  I am always interested in the KISS method, so I will be following your experiments.  Your pie looks great!  :) Soon I need to get experimenting with the Reinhart doughs again.

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2011, 01:48:03 AM »
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For whatever reason there is....I notice that the dough from day 1 has the same texture as my other Reinhart doughs had at day 3...that is, it is tender, crisp, not at all chewy, and soft in the middle.  Now, maybe it's a fluke....I won't really know until I do this exact experiment again.  I'm using KABF this time.
Here's the second pizza of the batch...in the fridge 32 hours, reballed 10 hours prior to baking....although I'm not at all good at hand tossing, this dough has the strength to be handtossed....it was again baked in a 550 degree deck oven....this is a primo pizza...crust and toppings!!!!!  Chipottle flavored white sauce with anchovy, clams, shrimp, romano, and garlic.  Also, this is a 12 ounce dough stretched to a 13 by 11 inch oval.
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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2011, 08:43:24 AM »
John,

Thanks for your explanations about you achieving the same texture as your other Reinhart dough had at different times.  It seems to me, the honey contributes something to the softness in the crumb, along with the higher hydration, in Reinhart doughs.  Do you agree with this?

I agree with you that your pie was a primo pizza in every way! Definitively first class.  :chef: Thanks for experimenting with Reinhart doughs.

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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2011, 01:18:09 AM »
Actually Norma, all of the Reinhart pizzas so far have been soft...I think it can all be attributed to high hydration.....I made many a pizza with no honey at all..and so that is what I observe.  Now, the texture is something else.  All of my pizzas were good but not great the first couple days...it was always the 3 day and older dough which had the crisp, tender and not chewy texture I love.  But, this batch I'm working on now...have all been great since day one...I'm very excited about this one and so are my crew!!
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2011, 02:02:40 PM »
Last dough of the batch
In the fridge 96 hours...reballed 11 hours prior to bake

Made a breakfast pizza for my wife and me...got my home oven up to 600, and baked this one for 5 minutes.  Unfortunately, I need to get a larger oven peel so I can open these doughs up more..this 12 ounce dough is only 11 inches in diameter, but tender, it's so tender!!  Can't wait to try another batch to see if it comes out this good.
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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2011, 12:11:40 AM »
Brand new batch, and a new technique (at least for me)

So, here is a dough which was in the fridge 23 hours.  It was reballed 12 hours prior to baking.  It was opened up right out of the fridge (no warm up period).  What a difference, so easy to open and stretch because it wasn't TOOOOO stretchy.  This is a 12 ounce dough, stretched to 12 inches...easily could have been 13 inches but my peel wasn't big enough.  This is baked in my home oven, which I only had up to 530 degrees...and I think it was perfect...every inch was golden brown.  The pizza is crisp, but oh so tender!
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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2011, 08:37:41 AM »
John,

Thanks for sharing your new technique for your hybrid Reinhart pizza.  It is interesting that no warm up period is needed.  Your pizza looks super delicious!  :) The nice tender crumb sounds great.

Norma

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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2011, 12:11:53 PM »
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You know as well as I, the knowledge comes in itty bitty bits.  One more thing I'm working on regarding these doughs...will shortening the reball time prior to bake improve the pizza as the dough ages. With this particular process I'm going to say yes, but I will verify tonight after work.
Here is a pizza we had for lunch yesterday....in the fridge 48 hours, reballed 12 hours prior to bake...should have baked it just a hair longer, but it was again good eats....with an excellent bottom
John

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2011, 12:37:53 PM »
Norma
You know as well as I, the knowledge comes in itty bitty bits.  One more thing I'm working on regarding these doughs...will shortening the reball time prior to bake improve the pizza as the dough ages. With this particular process I'm going to say yes, but I will verify tonight after work.
Here is a pizza we had for lunch yesterday....in the fridge 48 hours, reballed 12 hours prior to bake...should have baked it just a hair longer, but it was again good eats....with an excellent bottom
John


John,

I know when experimenting with any dough, knowledge does come in bits and pieces.  Will be watching how your experiments turn out.  You recent hybrid Reinhart looks like it was really good eats!  :chef:

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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2011, 02:29:32 AM »
My hunch was correct regarding reballing older doughs.  This dough was in the fridge 82 hours...I reballed it about 8 hours prior to baking.  Again, I took it right from the fridge to the make up table...and the dough was very easy to open, because it had some strength...in fact it felt just as good as day 1.  I'm finding these doughs bake up "prettiest" in a cooler rather that hotter oven..so this one was baked in a 520 degree deck.  My new rule of thumb is to reball no more than 8 hours prior to bake after dough has aged 24 hours.
This was another great pizza!!
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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2011, 02:14:01 AM »
Another good one...96 hours in the fridge...reball 8 hours prior to baking...again baked at 520..amazing texture and flavor.

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2011, 06:21:05 AM »
John,

Amazing that your hybrid dough ball could go for 96 hours in the fridge, when you added 0.5% IDY to your dough mix.  Fantastic looking pie!!  ;D  I am sure it was tasty.

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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2011, 01:48:33 AM »
John,

Amazing that your hybrid dough ball could go for 96 hours in the fridge, when you added 0.5% IDY to your dough mix.  Fantastic looking pie!!  ;D  I am sure it was tasty.

Norma

This is surprise to me as well...but it's a good kind of surprise.  I was figuring this dough would be good for 3 days...but I thought it was worth it because of how good it was after just 1 day...and now I know it will be good at least 6 days...

This one was in the fridge 112 hours...

John

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2011, 10:19:35 AM »
John,

I used your last hybrid Reinhart dough formula at Reply 27 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13697.msg140122.html#msg140122 (but I decreased the yeast amount)  and mixed in my UBM yesterday. If you are interested in seeing what the dough looked like, it is at Reply 79 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13668.msg141773.html#msg141773 I will see Monday what needs to be done to the dough.  I plan on using one dough ball on Tuesday to make into a pizza..

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2011, 01:22:36 PM »
I'll be interested to see how it turns out

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »
I'll be interested to see how it turns out

John

John,

Thanks for being interested in how your formula works out.  I will post pictures on your thread when I make the pizza.  Your pizzas always look so great, and I thought I wanted to give my UBM a shot with a Reinhart dough, fermented for a few days to see what would happen.  I am always looking for faster ways to make any doughs, and really like Reinhart doughs.

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2011, 09:56:13 PM »
John,

This is the pie I made with you hybrid Reinhart formula and cold fermented for 3 days.  I only did a couple of reballs, yesterday afternoon.  My pie rim didnít get as brown as yours, but the hybrid Reinhart formula did make a great pie.  The rim was so moist and the bottom crust was crisp.  Thanks for posting your hybrid formula.  :)

I will post the other pictures on my UBM thread, but these are a few pictures from the bake today.

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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2011, 11:25:47 PM »
John,

This is the pie I made with you hybrid Reinhart formula and cold fermented for 3 days.  I only did a couple of reballs, yesterday afternoon.  My pie rim didnít get as brown as yours, but the hybrid Reinhart formula did make a great pie.  The rim was so moist and the bottom crust was crisp.  Thanks for posting your hybrid formula.  :)

I will post the other pictures on my UBM thread, but these are a few pictures from the bake today.

Norma
Simplicity Norma, nice moist crumb....thanks for the pictures.

John

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2011, 11:52:57 PM »
Here is another go with my hybrid using the same recipe posted earlier.

The reasons this recipe and process intrigue me are:
1)  After the 4 minute mix, the 5 minute rest, the 3 minute mix, and then the scaling, balling and
     refrigeration....the dough isn't touched until reball time (5 to 10 hours prior to bake).
2)  Even though this dough is fairly highly hydrated, using Reinhart's method of using oil to scale and
     ball makes this dough a cinch to handle.
3)  The dough can be used right out of the fridge ( no warm up time needed)
4)  The dough is fairly strong, yet easy to stretch out (without that crappy overstretching sensation)
5)  The dough is very good even after a short while (over 12 hours in the fridge)
6)  The dough is very good even into 7 days (maybe it would go longer, I'm out of dough on day 7)

Here is a meatball and onion pizza I made for my wife and myself tonight.  It was baked in my home oven at about 530 degrees, and took about 8 minutes.  I love the looks of these baked cooler for a little longer time.....they are golden brown all over.
John

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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2011, 07:35:14 AM »
John,

Your recent hybrid Reinhart looks delicious!  :) I am also intrigued with your recipe and process.  I still have a hybrid dough ball cold fermenting and even after day 5 it looks fine and it was one of the two dough balls just thrown together in the UBM. I will post a picture of what dough ball looks like at 5 days cold ferment at my UBM thread. I believe you have a winner in your hybrid Reinhart.  ;D

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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2011, 08:41:17 PM »
Thanks Norma
I'm anxious to see your results!!
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Re: hybrid Reinhart
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2011, 10:57:28 PM »
Thanks Norma
I'm anxious to see your results!!
John

John,

So far I am really liking your hybrid Reinhart dough.  :)  I looked at the dough tonight and it still isn't overfermenting.  Usually my doughs don't go that long without more fermentation bubbles.  It intrigues me why the dough doesn't ferment more.

Norma