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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #225 on: October 03, 2011, 08:32:59 AM »
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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #226 on: October 05, 2011, 11:33:59 AM »
The dough with the Dry Malt DME-B product was made into a pizza yesterday.  The dough handled so beautifully and easily stretched to a 18Ē pizza, even though I only wanted to open the skin to 16Ē. The dough could have been tossed and twirled, but I didnít open it that way.  The finished pizza was crisp on the bottom crust, and slightly crisp on the rim, with a fairly moist crumb.  The only thing Steve and I didnít like about this experimental pizza was there didnít seem to be much of any taste in the crust, even though I basically used a Lehmann dough formula with added DME-8 dry malt.  The dough was almost cold fermented for two days.  The characteristics I did like using the DME dry malt, was the crisp bottom crust and the slightly crisp rim.  I wonder what should be my next experiment with the DME-B Dry Malt product to find if I can produce a better pizza.

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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #227 on: October 05, 2011, 11:36:15 AM »
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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #228 on: October 05, 2011, 11:37:19 AM »
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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #229 on: October 05, 2011, 11:38:00 AM »
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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #230 on: November 23, 2011, 11:00:24 PM »
I received another sample of Dry Malt from John Johansen today.  I donít even know how much of this Dry Malt to put in a formula, or if he wants me to try it with 50% molasses and 50% Dry Malt.  I did send an email to John saying since the Dry Malt is less sweet than molasses, honey, or brown sugar, how this might work to give a crust a sweeter taste.  I didnít get any response to that email and donít know what the data sheets might say for this Dry Malt product.  I donít even know how this Dry Malt product differs from the last sample of Dry Malt John sent me.

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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #231 on: December 02, 2011, 01:35:10 PM »
Peter,

I had sent John an email to ask him if he had any technical information on the Dry Malt 377 product sample he sent me recently and asked him if this was the dry malt product he had want me to try with 50/50 molasses and dry malt.  He sent me this technical information in a document, but it wasnít a pdf. document.  For some reason I couldnít open the document, and then emailed John to see if he could send me the document another way.  He sent me this in an email.

 DRY MALT EXTRACT - 377

TYPICAL ANALYSIS

A brown free flowing powder with a very distinct malt flavor and aroma.  This product is GMO free and of U.S. origin.

                                Ingredients                                                                         Malt

                                Moisture                                                                             4.0% Maximum

                                Reducing Sugars                                           as Anhydrous Maltose)   65% Minimum                                         
                   
                                Enzyme Activity                                                                Nil

                                pH                                                                                          5.0  Ī

Do you think an experiment with the new dry malt product DME 377D that John sent me would be of any use to see what happens with adding DME 377D 50/50 with molasses in a pizza dough, or do you think I should forget the experiment?  I have no idea how a pizza dough would turn out using the dried malt product in combination with molasses on a 50/50 amount.

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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #232 on: December 02, 2011, 09:52:00 PM »
Do you think an experiment with the new dry malt product DME 377D that John sent me would be of any use to see what happens with adding DME 377D 50/50 with molasses in a pizza dough, or do you think I should forget the experiment?  I have no idea how a pizza dough would turn out using the dried malt product in combination with molasses on a 50/50 amount.

Norma,

Knowing that you had received the DME 377D malt product from John, I did wonder how it might be used to make an MM clone dough, including combining it with molasses. However, since we have been so distracted recently by the steady run of experiments at the MM thread, I did not devote much thought as to how the DME 377D product might be used. What is not clear is how much DME 377D malt product might be used with a molasses product and what effect the combination will have on taste and color. For example, the DME 377D spec sheet shows 65% reducing sugars in the form of anhydrous maltose, but as you can see from the relative sweetness chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relativesweetness.png, maltose has a relatively low sweetness factor relative to sucrose. If a lot of it has to be used to get the sweetness up, even with a sweetener like the Golden Barrel Supreme Baking Molasses or the Steen's 100% pure cane syrup, you may end up with a dough and crust that is too dark. Of course, if the color is of no consequence then you could perhaps use a lot of the DME 377D product.

I think the combination of malt flavor and the flavor of molasses or pure cane syrup might combine to produce a tasty crust. I personally do not think that Mellow Mushroom is using a malt product, so maybe after we have concluded our work over at the MM thread we can think about a way of best using the DME 377D malt product, even if it is not for an MM clone.

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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #233 on: December 02, 2011, 11:22:16 PM »
Norma,

Knowing that you had received the DME 377D malt product from John, I did wonder how it might be used to make an MM clone dough, including combining it with molasses. However, since we have been so distracted recently by the steady run of experiments at the MM thread, I did not devote much thought as to how the DME 377D product might be used. What is not clear is how much DME 377D malt product might be used with a molasses product and what effect the combination will have on taste and color. For example, the DME 377D spec sheet shows 65% reducing sugars in the form of anhydrous maltose, but as you can see from the relative sweetness chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relativesweetness.png, maltose has a relatively low sweetness factor relative to sucrose. If a lot of it has to be used to get the sweetness up, even with a sweetener like the Golden Barrel Supreme Baking Molasses or the Steen's 100% pure cane syrup, you may end up with a dough and crust that is too dark. Of course, if the color is of no consequence then you could perhaps use a lot of the DME 377D product.

I think the combination of malt flavor and the flavor of molasses or pure cane syrup might combine to produce a tasty crust. I personally do not think that Mellow Mushroom is using a malt product, so maybe after we have concluded our work over at the MM thread we can think about a way of best using the DME 377D malt product, even if it is not for an MM clone.

Peter

Peter,

I had also wondered how John thought that any kind of malt product would bring the sweetness level up enough, because I had explained some of the experiments I had done with other sweeteners in combination with molasses in the MM clone doughs.  I also donít think MM is using a malt product either, but after the MM thread wraps-up, I would like to try a couple experiments with the recent malt sample John sent me in combination with some kind of molasses product.  I like the taste of molasses in the crust, even if there isnít much sweetness in the crust.  It should be interesting to see what a malt product also brings to the table with molasses products.

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Re: Commercial Dough Enzymes or Enhancers to do Tests in Pizza Dough
« Reply #234 on: May 11, 2012, 05:47:59 PM »
I consolidated all my samples in one place and got rid of the big boxes of samples.  Those darn big boxes sure felt like they got heavier from the last time I lifted them. Either that or I am getting weaker.  :-D  If any of them might still be good and are needed for any experiments at least I know where to look now.  The samples from Caravan are now in smaller plastic bags.  At least the samples arenít taking up as much space now. 

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