Yes gotcha, I have not asked the reasons for his selection of ovens but I am thinking money was not a top priority when putting the whole resutarnt package together. The whole place is done up right building Bar, Expresso Machine... Frank is also a trained chef and as you said obviously understands the importance quality food and equipment! From what we have discussed he has worked with many commercial ovens and other WFO resturants as well. In my opinion for the little its worth I feel this is the best bang for your buck as far as quality, reputation, cooking ... not sure to many woodies would dissagree. There are cheaper but man these babies are the way to go. I wish him many many perfect pies! Also nice to have someone who understands my passion for pizza as well.