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Offline TXCraig1

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #520 on: March 04, 2012, 10:54:51 PM »
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #521 on: March 04, 2012, 10:55:31 PM »
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #522 on: March 05, 2012, 12:30:22 AM »
Craig, it's about time you had a table setup close to the oven!   :)  I love the crumb shot on the Margherita!

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #523 on: March 05, 2012, 08:11:20 AM »
Craig,
 Beautiful pies, as usual!
I was just wondering. Do you always have the fire on the left and cook on the right? That's what I did when I first built my oven, but as a right hander, I quickly discovered I had better control working to the left.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #524 on: March 05, 2012, 11:33:51 AM »
I've tried the left and the back. I like the left best. I seem to get more even heat with the fire on the side. I have not tried the right. Seems like it would be uncomfortable for me. I'll give it a go and see what happens.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #525 on: March 05, 2012, 12:42:00 PM »
Ah that brussel sprout pie ! damn I love that one. and soon it will be made. Nice table set up! did you get my PM on the prep table ? thought ,   go to west Marine and get the cup holder, or rig one to mount on the side of the table  for your  wine glass, this way you will  never ruin one of those magnificent pies! ( or waste the nice wines you drink :) )  I can envision flat bottom stand, with a clip/close pin center center stem kinda  like a broom holder for stem  to hold / clip it in place as you create . Jet Deck ??
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« Reply #526 on: March 05, 2012, 12:57:37 PM »
Beautiful, as usual. A little darker maybe? I'd hit'em all 2X.
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #527 on: March 05, 2012, 02:03:30 PM »
Beautiful, as usual. A little darker maybe? I'd hit'em all 2X.

Probably. I was playing around with doming, so I would think so - a little darker.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #528 on: March 05, 2012, 02:06:05 PM »
Ah that brussel sprout pie ! damn I love that one. and soon it will be made. Nice table set up! did you get my PM on the prep table ? thought ,   go to west Marine and get the cup holder, or rig one to mount on the side of the table  for your  wine glass, this way you will  never ruin one of those magnificent pies! ( or waste the nice wines you drink :) )  I can envision flat bottom stand, with a clip/close pin center center stem kinda  like a broom holder for stem  to hold / clip it in place as you create . Jet Deck ??
see you friday
John

Yes, got the PM - trying to decide if I want to buy or build. If I build, it will be a good bit larger. I darn near took out a wine glass with the peel handle yesterday. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw it clear the glass by about a hair.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #529 on: March 05, 2012, 04:52:50 PM »
When I laid out the outdoor counter, I had it perfectly set up as a pizza work line.  Then I cut in a grill, then a sink, and now I have no more space to make pizzas.  Time for an island!

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« Reply #530 on: March 11, 2012, 10:37:08 PM »
Craig...Great Pizzas, more so, Great Passion...As I continue to read your thread and the Omid thread, I note that sometimes we go to a 4/24, vs a 24/4, or there abouts...I read that a longer ball rise lends to a more tender crust...do you agree, and why do you do what you do right now, 24/4? RJelli :chef:
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #531 on: March 12, 2012, 02:51:02 AM »
Craig,nice setup.the pizza looks wounderful.i think you would be suprised at how close our pizza is to the pizza of naples.
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #532 on: March 12, 2012, 09:15:23 AM »
Craig...Great Pizzas, more so, Great Passion...As I continue to read your thread and the Omid thread, I note that sometimes we go to a 4/24, vs a 24/4, or there abouts...I read that a longer ball rise lends to a more tender crust...do you agree, and why do you do what you do right now, 24/4? RJelli :chef:

Don't know. I've been wondering the same thing. I've been doing approximately 36/12. I was thinking about trying 24/24.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #533 on: March 12, 2012, 12:00:48 PM »
Craig,nice setup.the pizza looks wounderful.i think you would be suprised at how close our pizza is to the pizza of naples.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, but would love to hear the report and see the pictures Larry.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #534 on: March 12, 2012, 03:19:47 PM »
Craig,
     It looks like, according to Omid's latest post, it depends upon the environment of your kitchen, geographic location and weather as if you use the direct or indirect method of fermentation. The same pizzaiola uses the direct method (like 4/24) at one location and the indirect (like 24/4) at another location. The one that has a retard cooler, he uses the direct. Craig, according to your temperatures, you should use the indirect, which is what you do. I cold retard the dough balls, so I should use the direct method.
     After that, the numbers will vary based upon type of flour (alot to learn there--measurements of elasticity, cohesiveness, extensibility, impermeablility) used, water used, hydration, ADY vs SD, salt and the method to which you add the ingredients and achieve point of pasta. Then, there is the issue of the effects of temperatures at different stages of the process (marble storage areas!). On top of that, your cooking medium (temperature, conduction, convection and radiation) will dictate the variables listed above.
      Currently, I use 61% hydration (spring water) of 11.7% protein flour, 2.6% salt and 1% ADY. I use 37F water to make a little salt water, mix ADY with some of the flour, put rest of the water in a bowl, add the ADY, mix, add salt water, mix and then add the rest of the flour. I mix by hand until I achieve point of pasta. I let this rest at 69F for 4 hours.
      Then, I form dough balls (250g), as you would mozzarella, seal the umbilical, and cold retard 37F for 24 hours. I remove the dough balls and let rest 69F for two hours, just prior to bake.
      I place two stones in the oven, one below the gas (flame)(Radiation) broiler, and the second one two shelves down. This creates a top and bottom stone (Conduction) for better heat, since I cook at 550F (Convection). I preheat the oven for 1 hour. This is my best effort to create a WFO enviornment.
      The sauce is made from canned crushed tomatoes, 1 basil leaf, 1 smashed clove of garlic, 1 fillet of anchovies (pulverized) and a dash of lemon juice, then salt and sugar (to taste) to balance the acidity, sour, bitter and sweet of the current crop of tomatoes. Rest sauce in refrigerator for 1 day to infuse flavors.
      I oven roast 450F the vegetables (onions, mushrooms, squash, fennel, peppers, etc.) with VOO, salt, pepper, balsamic vinegar and liquid smoke...I make my own italian sausage, guanciale, pancetta, bacon, pepperone, etc. I pre-cook these before adding to the pizza...I use fresh whole milk mozzarella, grana panada, parmegiano reggiano, whole milk ricotta, etc...Sea salt, dried oregano, garlic confit, anchovies, soppressata, calabrese, salami, miscellaneous charcuterie, olives, honey, miscellaneous herbs, etc.
      I place mozz first on the hand stretched dough (push air to rim), paint each chunk with sauce, picasso more on the pizza, chiffonade basil, EEOV, sea salt (then stretch again on peel) and cook between the stones to achieve cornicione (7 minutes approx). I then turn on the gas broiler and place pizza on top stone to achieve char (1 minute max).
      Then, post-bake, I add a little more fresh mozz (for two different consistencies of mozz, baked and melted) and a little more basil. Cut into squares and serve the Margherita.
      Other varieties include, 1)Sausage and Onion, 2)Guanciale and Garlic, 3)Rosa, 4)Shaved Salami, Black Olive and Toasted Pine Nuts, 5)Pancetta and Braised Fennel, 6) Lardons and Three Way Mushrooms, etc. I use a variety of pre-bake, mid-bake, and post-bake strategies based upon the ingredients used.
      The real issue here is how we change from day-to-day with more knowledge and more experience based upon our environment, ingredients and most importantly, our individual tastes. My next quest is to try your sourdough levain, and see what difference that makes. Isn't it great that there is no one answer to making the best pizza, but that it is a quest to improve. To manage this quest, it is important to document past results and continue to tweak the process.
        Someday, I wish to have an oven like yours. Your passion is almost unparalleled (with Omid and a few others), and I really appreciate you guys sharing your growing knowledge and experience of the Neapolitan Style Pizze. Also, thanks to a personal conversation with the humble Chris Bianco, I have used his philosophy of attempting to constantly improve the pizza making process, never being satisfied.

Thanks so much,
RJelli---North Idaho Environment with a Gas Oven and Gas Broiler)  :chef:
     
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #535 on: March 16, 2012, 04:58:35 PM »
hey, it was probably answered already but did you build the oven by your self ?

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #536 on: March 16, 2012, 05:21:29 PM »
NYY...No I did not, I have a Viking oven with five shelf positions...I find the two stones create a good heat environment for the initial bake, and the broiler finishes for char...RJelli :chef:
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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #537 on: March 16, 2012, 10:28:58 PM »
hey, it was probably answered already but did you build the oven by your self ?


If this question was for me, here is the answer:

http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13293.0.html
http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,13438.0.html

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #538 on: March 16, 2012, 10:31:10 PM »
Thanks so much, 

You're most welcome. We all get better when we help eachother.

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Re: Craig's Neapolitan Garage
« Reply #539 on: March 17, 2012, 07:44:19 PM »
 craig, i had to check the thread to make sure it wasn't craig visits napoli. wasome pies. after seeing your pictures of the chau in ny thread i realize you take photos as good as you make pies. beautiful pies and pics!!!