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Offline cmhanley

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Lomonica's dough
« on: June 19, 2011, 08:44:25 PM »
I tried Lomonica's frozen dough balls and really like them. I used a 22 oz. ball for an 18" pie. The chew was excellent as was the crispness on the outer crust. Its very tempting to use them but feel I need to make my own if I am to be taken as a serious pizza maker.

Im getting a new place and plan on getting a marsal oven and want to know how to make a dough similar to the Lamonicas if not better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Chris

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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 09:13:11 PM »
Chris,

There is an entire thread on the subject of the Lamonica's frozen dough balls and their use by Costco in their stores, at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9121.0.html. As you will see from that thread, trying to make frozen dough balls like Lamonica's is not exactly a walk in the park. Your better bet might be to make a fresh dough similar to the Lamonica's dough in terms of ingredients, dough weight and final pizza size, and use an amount of yeast that will allow the dough to ferment in your cooler for a few days. In my opinion, that will produce a finished crust with more fermentation flavors because of the substantially greater byproducts of fermentation. A frozen dough ball gets no fermentation while frozen. It starts to ferment mostly after it has been defrosted and thereafter subjected to room temperature fermentation (which you usually want to drag out as long as you can before the dough starts to head south).

I think it should be fairly straightforward to come up with a Lamonica's-like dough formulation but for a fresh, cold fermented dough instead of a frozen dough. To do this, you will need to know how long you would like the dough balls to cold ferment since that, along with all applicable temperatures, will dictate the amount of yeast to use. In a commercial setting, I would shoot for one to three days. If you need help when you are ready, maybe I can come up with something for you to play around with. The only ingredients would be flour, water, yeast, salt and olive oil. These ingredients might be modified or augmented with other ingredients based on actual test results and desired objectives. As you may know, the Lamonica's frozen dough balls used in the Costco stores are 30-ounce dough balls for 18" pizzas. That corresponds to a thickness factor of 30/(3.14159 x 9 x 9) = 0.117893. If you use a 22-ounce dough ball for the 18" size, the corresponding thickness factor is 22/(3.14159 x 9 x 9) = 0.08646. That puts you into NY street pizza territory.

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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 09:34:13 PM »
Thanks for the reply Peter
I will definitely take you up on your offer of helping me out. I plan to have my new place running by fall.

I let the frozen dough thaw in the fridge then held it for 3 days in the fridge.  4 days total from frozen in refrigerator. This was the best I thought. 1-2 days just didn't produce the flavor.  I noticed the crust had an oat/cinnamon flavor. Very subtle but very nice. This is something I would love to figure out. I did brush the crust with olive oil prior to baking.  

What's ideal for NY style? I plan to make 20" slice pies and an 18" and 14" pie.
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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 10:10:03 PM »
Chris,

What is "ideal" for a NY style is a subjective matter. However, I would like to take a stab at defining what might be a good, workable NY style dough formulation. But, before doing that, can you tell me who will be opening up the doughs balls to make the skins for your various pizzas? For example, will you (or a skilled proxy) be doing that or will you be using a bunch of here-today-gone-tomorrow teenagers?

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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2011, 10:21:06 PM »
Haha....I don't plan on having any teenagers work with me.
The plan is myself and two other guys with pizza experience. One a guy from Jersey who knows what he's doing and the other a young guy who can throw dough like a maniac. He actually talks alot about those dough tossing competitions. We've worked together for two years. And are ready to step it up. I own a pizza truck now. So consistency can be a problem. The ultimate goal is an old school NY type pizza place using premium ingredients. Hopefully becoming a pizza institution.


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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 06:59:55 PM »
Chris,

Since you are in LA, I would imagine that you are familiar with Lamonica's NY-Pizza http://www.lamonicasnypizza.com/) and King of New York Pizzeria (http://www.konypizzeria.com/). Both of these pizzerias specialize in the NY style and, as best we can tell, both use dough balls from Lamonica's (http://www.lamonicaspizzadough.com/online/Home.html). Have you tried the pizzas from Lamonica's NY-Pizza and King of New York Pizzeria and, if so, how would you plan to differentiate what you plan to do from those places, beyond making your own dough as a substitute for the Lamonica dough balls you have been using?

If you have not already seen it, there is a recent thread on the King of New York Pizzeria at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,14393.0.html.

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Re: Lomonica's dough
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 09:13:33 PM »
Lots of Great Info here
I buy my Lomonica's dough balls by the case(Best Pre Made frozen Dough ball}
Case of 50 dough balls for $22.00 (44 cent each},,,to me its much
more easy just to buy a  case...And its made with NYC water,,,what more
can yeaaaaa want..................JT