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Re: A PHILOSOPHY OF PIZZA NAPOLETANISMO!
« Reply #340 on: August 04, 2011, 04:52:21 AM »
thanks Omid for the brief explanation of how each region adapted this kind of food, here in Sao Paulo (Brazil) the arab food is mainly dominated by Lebanese, and the sfiha or sfeeha is what every one is used to, it is a common fast-food here, some with allot of quality and others with very poor quality, another interesting bread that they (the Lebanese) make here is a very thin bread like this video
<a href="http://youtu.be/jn4y1Za8Z0I" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://youtu.be/jn4y1Za8Z0I</a>
, hope this discussion enlightens every one to try new forms of food!
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« Reply #341 on: August 04, 2011, 08:14:41 AM »
This has been become one of the most interesting threads on the board.

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« Reply #342 on: August 04, 2011, 12:22:16 PM »
I feel like I'm back in Armenian Saturady and Sunday school every time I read one of Omids posts.

I took some pictures of Persian bread couple days ago and will upload them when my laptop decides to work.

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« Reply #343 on: August 04, 2011, 05:03:19 PM »
Pide indeed is great food. . . .

Dear Todi, danke for the Youtube links! I was a bit surprised to see someone from Hamburg, Germany in this forum. Interesting! Truly, pizza knows no borders. I have never been to your hometown Hamburg, but I have heard great things about it. Back in early 90s, I attended the University of Freiburg for one year of studying German philosophy. That was fun, but hard work. Guten Tag!
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« Reply #344 on: August 04, 2011, 06:31:54 PM »
one might say that you have been around...  awsome!!!
actually Hamburg isn't my hometown. my hometown is Stuttgart - perhaps you've been there!?
i've lived in Freiburg i. Breisgau from 1999 to 2001, too: just missed!

because there is no German forum like this i am doubly blessed that there is an American/English one!
great place, greater people, greatest pizzas ;)

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« Reply #345 on: August 04, 2011, 11:10:28 PM »
I feel like I'm back in Armenian Saturady and Sunday school every time I read one of Omids posts.

Dear BrickStoneOven, it is great to have an Armenian amongst us here! Have you ever been to the city of Glendale within the Los Angeles county? The city, which is about 2 hours from here, houses perhaps one of the largest Armenian communities within the United States. Almost on daily basis they arrive there from Armenia. They pretty much own the city; even the mayor and most of the city authorities are Armenians. During the course of last 28 years, they have turned Glendale into a very sophisticated and chic place to live and work. I alway look forward to going there. Some of the best restaurants and bakeries of the LA county are owned and run by them in Glendale or, as some call it, Armenia-dale. O boy, do they know good food and how to party and show great hospitality? Great people! Բարի գիշեր!
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« Reply #346 on: August 05, 2011, 10:19:03 AM »
Omid,
In your opening post you mentioned that you were looking for work as a pizzaiolo...how has the search gone in southern cali?  Any luck?

Dear TheDude, I have not really applied myself toward that objective yet. However, sometime next week, I will be sending out my résumé to various pizzerias, hoping that I can find employment as a pizzaiolo at some pizzeria here in San Diego. The entire San Diego County has only two Neapolitan pizzerias: Pizzeria Bruno Napoletano and Pizzeria/Caffé Calabria. Hence, I may end up working at a non-Neapolitan establishment. We shall see! Have a great weekend.
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« Reply #347 on: August 05, 2011, 10:29:41 AM »
Dear BrickStoneOven, it is great to have an Armenian amongst us here! Have you ever been to the city of Glendale within the Los Angeles county? The city, which is about 2 hours from here, houses perhaps one of the largest Armenian communities within the United States. Almost on daily basis they arrive there from Armenia. They pretty much own the city; even the mayor and most of the city authorities are Armenians. During the course of last 28 years, they have turned Glendale into a very sophisticated and chic place to live and work. I alway look forward to going there. Some of the best restaurants and bakeries of the LA county are owned and run by them in Glendale or, as some call it, Armenia-dale. O boy, do they know good food and how to party and show great hospitality? Great people! Բարի գիշեր!

Yea, I have a lot of family that lives there. Good luck with the job search.

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« Reply #348 on: August 05, 2011, 12:05:37 PM »
Dear TheDude, I have not really applied myself toward that objective yet. However, sometime next week, I will be sending out my resumes to various pizzerias, hoping that I can find employment as a pizzaiolo at some pizzeria here in San Diego. The entire San Diego County has only two Neapolitan pizzerias: Pizzeria Bruno Napoletano and Pizzeria/Caffé Calabria. Hence, I may end up working at a non-Neapolitan establishment. We shall see! Have a great weekend.

Omid !...do you know who made these ovens ?
they look quite the same.


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« Reply #349 on: August 05, 2011, 12:49:22 PM »
Omid !...do you know who made these ovens ?
they look quite the same.


Louis

The Bruno oven is by Stefano Ferrara. The second one looks like it's made from Forno Napoletano, because of the flat top on the exterior of the dome.

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« Reply #350 on: August 05, 2011, 12:51:05 PM »
Omid !...do you know who made these ovens ?
they look quite the same.
Louis

Dear Louis, both of the brick ovens in the pictures above were crafted by Stefano Ferrara of Naples. Have a superb weekend!
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« Reply #351 on: August 05, 2011, 11:02:22 PM »
Can I try to burn some coal in the new oven before I try it on my oven?

Dear Jet_deck, according to Giuseppe of Forno Classico, you can not use coal in the Forno Piccolo. Good night!
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« Reply #352 on: August 06, 2011, 02:14:35 PM »
Dear Nbickett, you asked, "Suppose one wanted to dress the face [of dough ball], would one avoid exposing the face to pressure while shaping and stretching? In other words, might there be structural disadvantages to pressing the face into a surface while shaping and then flipping it to dress it?"

I am not sure if I fully understand your question. One way or other, whether the face of dough ball is pointing upward (away from the marble top) or downward (against the marble top), the face will be inevitably pressed into the surface either directly or indirectly while shaping the dough disc. However, some pizzaioli hardly let the face be directly pressed against the work surface. (Please, check out the following youtube link below.) I would assert that a dough disc fashioned in this manner would yield a softer crust than a dough disc that is manually pressed against the work surface on both the face and base. Have a delightful weekend!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-qRZtG1FM" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-qRZtG1FM</a>
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« Reply #353 on: August 06, 2011, 03:23:52 PM »
Dear friends, I have a tip for the beginners who would like to begin to learn the stretch-slap technique, as masterfully demonstrated in the youtube video that I earlier posted above. (Here is the link again:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-qRZtG1FM" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-qRZtG1FM</a>
). The following are the simple steps for preparing your virtual dough disc, which will be used to simulate stretch-slapping!

1. Take a towel that is not too thin or too thick;
2. With the aid of a pair of scissors, cut the towel into a circle with a diameter of 12 or 13 inches;
3. Pick any area on the circumference of the circular towel and mark it with a black magic marker and let the ink thoroughly dry;
4. Douse the towel with water just enough to make it uniformly damp and somewhat stretchable. Done!

Now you can use the towel, your virtual dough disc, to patiently figure out how the technique works. This is a great tool which facilitates learning the subtleties of the stretch-slap method—without waisting precious dough and while taking as much time as needed without the towel, unlike a piece of dough, over-stretching itself into pieces. Once you can confidently and controllably perform the technique with the towel, then you can apply the method to a live piece of dough. And, you shall see improvements day by day. Trust me! This tool is actually utilized for preliminary training in some pizza schools in Naples, where I learned it. Sometimes they use a round sheet of rubber; nevertheless, a round piece of towel is just as good, if not better.

By the way, the purpose of "step 3", above, is to measure the rotation of the towel disc, which should be about 1/4th of a complete turn per slap. I have posted below more videos about the technique. Good luck!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIqS8c8nmps" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIqS8c8nmps</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBcXSIoEOo" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBcXSIoEOo</a>
(See mark 0:41)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Y8BIDFuyE" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Y8BIDFuyE</a>



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« Reply #354 on: August 07, 2011, 01:32:43 AM »
Pizzas baked tonight (dough prepared with Santos fork mixer):

Hydration: 57.50%
Flour: San Felice Tipo "00" (Protein 10%)
Total dough weight: 2505 grams
Mechanical mixing time: 1.5 minutes
Mechanical kneading Time: 6 minutes
Fermentation (fresh yeast 0.4 gr.): 2 + 22 hours at controlled room temperature 67° - 75° F
Oven: Home gas oven 648° F
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« Reply #355 on: August 07, 2011, 01:33:41 AM »
Continuation:
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« Reply #356 on: August 07, 2011, 01:51:24 AM »
Omid,

Wow,those pizzas are super nice! You make it look so easy too!Wonderful rim rise,from such low hydration percentages.
 :chef:

I wanted to ask,do you sometimes get bubbles in your doughs while they rise,or is that a thing from the past for you?I don't make Neapolitan style pies just yet,however, once in a while,I get a dough that grows a large bubble.I thought I had the the technique down but once in a while,they show up in a dough ball,when some others do not have that problem,but were made the same time or same mix.

Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #357 on: August 07, 2011, 04:41:06 AM »
Omid,
I wanted to ask,do you sometimes get bubbles in your doughs while they rise,or is that a thing from the past for you?I don't make Neapolitan style pies just yet,however, once in a while,I get a dough that grows a large bubble.I thought I had the the technique down but once in a while,they show up in a dough ball,when some others do not have that problem,but were made the same time or same mix.

Dear Bill, if I understand you correctly, you would like to know why sometimes bubble formations of unusual magnitude occur in your dough balls during fermentation/levitation. While I do not know how you produce your dough and how you, thereafter, craft and treat your dough balls, I am going to, first, speculate that perhaps you are not making your dough balls properly. So, my advice to you would be to pay close attention to how you fashion your dough balls. Make sure they are divested of air bubbles within as much as possible. Such air bubbles can act as depositories for the carbon dioxide that is produced by fermentation. Under average circumstances, I think a dough ball, right after it is shaped, can benefit from having the following characteristics:

1. Round like a ball;
2. Moderately tight, but not rigid and inflexible, with even distribution of dough inside the ball and with no sizable air bubbles trapped inside;
3. No cracks as much as possible;
4. Evenly smooth dough skin all around the ball; and
5. Properly healed umbilical chord.

Second, I am going to hypothesize that perhaps your dough balls are near a source of heat, which can hyper-activate production of carbonic gases within your dough balls.

At last, but not least, I surmise that the dough might be suffering of uneven formation of gluten network, which might be attributed to uneven kneading, uneven mixing of dry flour with pre-hydrated or autolyzed flour, uneven mixing of two different types of flours, or etc.

Good night!

(You are the second gentleman from Kentucky that I have met here. Lucky you!—there are no muttons and burgoos in California.)
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« Reply #358 on: August 07, 2011, 01:14:49 PM »
Dough balls for tonight (prepared with Santos fork mixer):

Hydration: 57.00%
Flour: San Felice Tipo "00" (Protein 10%)
Total dough weight: 2497 grams
Dough ball weight: about 250 gr. each
Mechanical mixing time: 1.5 minutes
Mechanical kneading Time: 5 minutes
Fermentation (fresh yeast 0.4 gr.): 5 + 10 hours and counting . . . at controlled room temperature 67° - ?° F
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« Reply #359 on: August 07, 2011, 10:22:12 PM »
Dough balls for tonight (prepared with Santos fork mixer):

Hydration: 57.00%
Flour: San Felice Tipo "00" (Protein 10%)
Total dough weight: 2497 grams
Dough ball weight: about 250 gr. each
Mechanical mixing time: 1.5 minutes
Mechanical kneading Time: 5 minutes
Fermentation (fresh yeast 0.4 gr.): 5 + 10 hours and counting . . . at controlled room temperature 67° - ?° F

Tonight's pizzas:
"Since I cannot move the gods above, I shall move the gods below!"
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