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« Reply #160 on: January 02, 2012, 03:37:00 PM »
Thanks Scott,
Yes, I am going to do the 3 or 4 trays and then shelf some room and 3 -4 more then shelf room. Boxes fit nicely in here with little  side room as well. They also have a shelf set up on the bottom also to keep whatever 1 1/2" off bottom/floor to  improve air circ. as well. Nice unit. I found several on craigs list but bulky and wasted alot of space with freezer which I dont need. She is a perfect fit in the spot I had and nice and quiet and just a  $76 a year to run.
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« Reply #161 on: January 02, 2012, 04:43:30 PM »
 john,looks like your garage will be another Neapolitan pizza destination. you even have your own mixer. why don't you buy some reclaimed wood and build tables and chairs.we will discuss this concept Thursday night, Craig can give you some pointers. :-D

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« Reply #162 on: January 02, 2012, 04:51:57 PM »
john if you want to max dough life cross stack boxes or leave area for air flow while the dough cools off .if you cover right away you will get a lot of dough rise until the inside of the box cools to temperature

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« Reply #163 on: January 02, 2012, 05:09:44 PM »
 Yes found some tbles on Craigs list ! Chances are I will be doing the bulk fermentation I never ball right out of the mixer.  Do I  Still cross stack after fridge or  room temp bulk  ?   
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« Reply #164 on: January 02, 2012, 05:16:24 PM »
when you ball your dough and put it in the cooler. i leave it uncovered a few minutes ,the interior of the dough box will cool quicker. it will rise slower in ball form giving you better shelf life.

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« Reply #165 on: January 02, 2012, 05:28:30 PM »
Neapolitan rarely, if ever, sees a refrigerator during a typical fermentation, and the fork mixers used in Italy don't drive up the temp of the dough where it needs to be cooled, so traditionally, Neapolitan dough doesn't need the circulating air to help the dough chill because the dough isn't being chilled. Even on the NY side, cross stacking is more of a walk-in thing- you have to have a cold area that's big enough to accommodate cross stacked boxes. You might find places with extraordinarily warm dough or extraordinarily cool room temps that are room temp cross stacking, but I think, for the majority, the cross stacked boxes go in a walk in.

John, I don't think it's something you really need to worry about.  In your 3-4 box stack, I might pay attention to the boxes sandwiched in the middle and see if the dough is fermenting any differently than the outer ones. You could also, if you wanted to, play around with some sort of wedges to act as a cross stacking equivalent in the fridge space you have.  Like I said, though, I don't think stacking them straight from the bulk is going to be an issue- and that's from a room temp bulk. If it's a refrigerated bulk, then this is a non issue completely, since you won't need to accelerate chilling at all- assuming of course, you can comfortably ball the chilled/relatively chilled dough.
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« Reply #166 on: January 02, 2012, 07:37:55 PM »
 scott, when i am making dough my kitchen is 85 degrees. after i put the dough in the boxes and cover the internal temperature is in the 80's so if you do not allow air to circulate it may take an hour for the inside to cool to 30 plus degrees.it makes a difference if you are trying to save your dough for a few days.like you said he could lift the trays above each other not cross stacking since he has no room.
 when i take my oven out during the summer months.i cross stack, refrigerate my cambros,and use freezer inserts to keep my dough cold john has a prep table that will hold his dough, but he is still transporting to the location and the colder the better.
 the other factor is johns new dough machine can put out some nice quantities if he can manage his dough he can make less runs.
 

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Re: FLIRTING WITH FIRE !
« Reply #167 on: January 07, 2012, 09:01:54 AM »
John,

Oh my God!... I can't say in this forum what my body feels looking at your new equipment  :-* That is a thing of beauty. Following your progress has been a tremendous help as my wife and I get closer to having our own mbwfo. My trailer as you already know is being built in Maine. It is a Mugnaini prototype with some modifications such as using torflex axles, no diamond plates etc.. I have a choice of the adding two more feet to the trailer for storage mainly but I am concern with the maneuverability of an 8ft vs 6ft. What do you think? The oven is still on the design stage. It will be a one piece shell 42" floor and is being built by the same gentleman that built the one for The Uproot Pie Co. He is an sculptor/welder/carpenter. Does not have the experience of the Mugnaini people but he is an artist at heart that will put his soul and expertise into the project. One piece of equipment that you have not mentioned is a blow poke...a lot of people love it... it helps boost your fire like a bellow would. Okay, got to make the dough...practice and learn as much as we can while we wait for the "engine" to come.

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Re: FLIRTING WITH FIRE !
« Reply #168 on: January 27, 2012, 08:03:08 PM »
Somebody stop me  ;D
I blame this one on Larry the Za Man! When we visited Paulie Gees I commented on How I liked the sopressatta and wished I could find this product, and how I would like to add this to my pizza menu. Larry recommended a few that can be bought. But how can I make them so nice and thin and uniform. Larry's response was well "you'll just have to get a slicer" dang him!! my wheels started turning?  Pancetta, Prosciuto, Salami, pepperoni. Local meat suppliers goodness, Rest Depot bulk, anyway DONE! After shopping around for a month and doing some research I ended up with a beautiful (Italian of course) 10" slicer. This baby is in perfect condition Has a built in sharpener and slices paper thin  My first few cuts were on the Vermont Smoked Pepperoni recommended by John Dellavechia and boy m I glad he did!! Thanks JOHN! this stuff rocks!! I spoke with the owner and arranged a wholesale shipment to me for my mobile bus.  24 sticks! who wants some ?
oh here is Jessebells sister Sally the slicer
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« Reply #169 on: January 27, 2012, 09:37:50 PM »
John, not being much of a Neapolitan guy, I wasn't too terribly envious of the fork mixer, but that slicer... oh baby, that is a work of art.  I have wanted a good slicer for decades.

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« Reply #170 on: January 27, 2012, 09:59:09 PM »
Experience has told me if you really want something, look very hard for it, and put a value on it. Whats its worth to you? Then  ask yourself is is this a need or a want? If your like me, its a want turned around  into a need  :-D  Then the hard part, be patient, I made a lot of offers and was turned down, these babies are heavy so shipping is killer too. As soon as I said I will just get one later this came up. You wont believe what I paid for this thing. I dont believe it!  very very reasonable, Happy to have it and excited to see what Kind of local quality butcher goodies I can to add to my pizzas,  beyond passion!
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« Reply #171 on: January 27, 2012, 10:02:20 PM »
John,

You are one helluva of a entertainer!... and a mad scientist.....  enjoy your new toy  ;D.  Keep your fingers out of the way.


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« Reply #172 on: January 27, 2012, 10:28:31 PM »
John, I can't justify a need for this in any way, but, man oh man, do I want one  ;D Just off the top of my head, here's what I'd do with a slicer:

Jerky
Italian Beef sandwich
Sukiyaki
Pho
Sliced Roast Beef
Slice my own corned beef
Slice less expensive mozzarella for Sicilian
Homemade bacon

Just the thought of having pepperoni slices exactly the thickness I want is making me giddy  ;D

It really boils down to the money for me.  I've seen all the $100-$200ish garbage stuff on Amazon but really can't justify spending more than a couple hundred bucks on something I don't really need.
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Re: FLIRTING WITH FIRE !
« Reply #173 on: January 27, 2012, 10:43:21 PM »
Scott,

Pho...wow...I love authentic Vietnamese Pho!  Do you have a recipe...I have never attempted it myself?

Thanks...Adam

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« Reply #174 on: January 28, 2012, 12:20:37 AM »
You are warm Scott  ;D
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« Reply #175 on: January 28, 2012, 02:22:43 AM »
John, great info. Looking forward to more action.
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Re: FLIRTING WITH FIRE !
« Reply #176 on: January 28, 2012, 03:01:16 AM »
I picked this Berkel up just before Christmas.  You may have to cut the prosciutto in half; buy the smallest one that you can find.

Matt
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« Reply #177 on: January 28, 2012, 05:55:25 AM »
 john, nice slicer now you need to learn how to make you own meats to make that slicer useful. you need to get a book on charcuterie so you can make your pepperoni in house.love my new mixer. big difference in my dough

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« Reply #178 on: January 28, 2012, 08:11:23 AM »
John - I am officially in search of a slicer now (thanks a lot). What is the manufacturer? I see the distributor and I think they are Weston, but I can't figure it out.

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« Reply #179 on: January 28, 2012, 12:37:01 PM »
Hey guys,

Could this be the poor man's version of a super duper Italian slicer?   My wife bought this professional grade mandolin for $25, it sells for about $100 about a year ago and at the time I thought ....why?  well...maybe I can slice those smoked pepperonis from Vermont! We will definitely be able to use it at the farmer's market when we buy veggies, etc. from the locals.


 



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