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Re: FLIRTING WITH FIRE !
« Reply #380 on: July 09, 2012, 09:51:22 AM »
It's amazing what a little publicity can do! Oh, the power of media! Good for you, sir! Keep smilin... keep slingin!
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« Reply #381 on: July 09, 2012, 11:19:51 AM »
Great Work John.....Wonderful Article  :)
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« Reply #382 on: July 09, 2012, 03:35:56 PM »
You got a great write-up there John.  Congratulations!  All your hard work has paid off.

(The pies look great too. :chef:)

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« Reply #383 on: July 09, 2012, 10:17:21 PM »
hell yeah! 
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« Reply #384 on: July 15, 2012, 01:07:45 AM »
Thank you for all your information, John!  Your posts read like a journal and allows the reader to walk a mile in your shoes.

May I ask how much you are charging the public at your venues?  I know others have stated their cost is in the $2.50 - $4.00 range, it would be nice to know the other half of the equation.

How do the private parties work are they priced per ball used or a flat rate or . . . ?
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« Reply #385 on: July 15, 2012, 09:08:59 AM »
I price per person, or per event.. I dont count people there I trust there are being honest and I know in the end if I bring 1 pie per person should be a few leftover. I did alot of research on pricing Many are at Lump sum $1250 for 40 people. I struggled a bit to get that when starting out. So Charge now $17 -$22 per head, for the entire experience. I have a breakdown I show people if they are shocked bt the price to back up my pricing and dont mind sharing because they donrt see the all behind the scenes work !Minimum 15 + hours time for me per party 25-50 people + this + that = .... I Have a minumum of $750 to leave the driveway and there is $150 Mobilization/set up fee. This part is my negotiating tool. Some people bark about $500 bucks for pizza and I inform them of the Dominoes sale of $7.99 for a large  ;D  Others will throw you $1200 bucks like its a cup of coffee.
Its worth every penny of what we charge in this business, and I will say itagain do it because I love it. I have turned down a few parties where they Offered me $700 bucks (and you will gt  alot of Business Line) it just not worth giving up my family time, which I happen to love also. Beauty is I can wait til somone "wants" the experience because I have paid for everything and its Part time. If I was making payments or full time I would do weekday specials and work for lesss to make some real income.  It is possible full time. A fellow operator with 2 ovens did 45 events in June  do the math at minimum $750 each that works for most  :pizza:
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« Reply #386 on: July 15, 2012, 12:15:35 PM »
Others will throw you $1200 bucks like its a cup of coffee.

I did catering in the Madison/Chatham/Summit area a while back (average house value in Summit is $1 million).  I was constantly amazed by the number of clients that, when you'd tell them the total price (for $500-$1000 orders), they'd just say "oh, yeah, whatever."  When I go shopping at the supermarket, I know exactly how much each item is going to cost, and, if it doesn't scan correctly, I'm on my way to customer service for a full refund.

Pizza De Puta, I talked about it a little bit in your intro thread, but, even if you're throwing $700 events, you need a pretty wealthy area.  John makes phenomenal pizza, but I not sure he'd be doing the same amount of business in the kind of economy you'll find in a place like Stockton.

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« Reply #387 on: July 15, 2012, 01:22:05 PM »
 i have to say that the amount of work involved is staggering.and i find that customers are a little worried about their choice of say a wood fired pizza event vs. a barbeque catering. once their guests make positive comments about the pizza and uniqueness of the mobile pizza they loosen up and become much more relaxed. two weeks ago we did one for a guy that always uses a bbq guy for his catering .he had a few people that didn't like the idea ,buy ended up being very happy with what we were doing . the one said the set up was " the cats ass" which i think was positive. but as john has said if you are not putting a good amount of cash in your pocket forget it!!
 and scott you are right about the wealthy being a little tight. i think it has more to do with them being afraid they are being taken advantage of because of their prosperity. we need to make theses mobile gigs efficient to maximize profits.
 i like johns set up much better than mine because he can do it all with one vehicle.my set up takes two.

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« Reply #388 on: July 16, 2012, 12:41:00 AM »
Thanks for the great responses!  Wow $1250 for 40 people, that's about double what I figured you'd get, but hey, more power to you!! :D  I read a catering book that said that the most common mistake for new start ups is not charging enough.  $1250 is definitely fair for all the effort and equipment (like that $5000 mixer) that are essential to running your business.  I love the Domino's Pizza referral, too!  When you go to a street fair or a farmer's market, John, do you serve 12" pies?  And what do you charge per pie at these type of events?

Scott, you are correct about Stockton, it's a big ghetto.  However, we live 30 miles away and there are many people and wineries within 50 miles that have plenty of big houses and money.  I believe we have one guy in our county doing Mobile WFO.  He was at our local airport appreciation day making 8" pies and sold out at 250.  For some reason though, I think he only charged six bucks.

My spouse, who is a gourmet chef, and I are going to attend a three hour quickie seminar this Friday put on by Mugnaini.  We own a couple of non-food Internet retail businesses with our three grown sons but we need to branch out and get into a business that has a few more barriers to entry.  We have MBAs so we know the risks versus reward stuff.  I like the numbers that some are reporting, as well as, the fact that I LOVE pizza.  I think I would most enjoy the challenge of setting up a commissary and dialing-in the precision necessary for the recipe to succeed.  Our ranch currently has an unused 1200 sq ft metal building which would make one hell of a kitchen.  All it takes is money.  However, we are still in the early information gathering stage and are having fun learning.   We recently took a "field trip" to Pizzaiolo's in Oakland and watched them do their thing along with asking a lot of questions.

The biggest challenge I can see so far is getting all the permits and trying to get someone to tell us what will be required as far as facilities, equipment and inspections.  I know for certain that a mobile sink and a screen enclosed work station at the events are mandatory here.  I believe a professional kitchen outside the home is also the law.  I'm not certain how the WFO could be affected by our frequent "No Burn Days" antipollution laws, either.

Thanks again for sharing.

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« Reply #389 on: July 16, 2012, 12:10:15 PM »
I tried to attend that one day seminar but it was full.  I would love to here how you liked it.  Please keep us up to date.  Also I just sent you a personal message and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #390 on: July 16, 2012, 12:50:38 PM »
i have to say that the amount of work involved is staggering.

That's a point that cannot be emphasized enough to people considering doing a mobile pizza operation of some type....particularly if they already have a full time job and are only going to be doing the pizza on weekends or part-time. Doubly so if you are going to be the primary or only person doing the pre-event work.

By the time going out to buy ingredients, cleaning, prepping, packing, putting on the event, unpacking and cleaning is done, many hours have gone by. Time away from family hurts.

Definitely a litmus test for how deep passion runs, that's for sure. --K
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« Reply #391 on: July 16, 2012, 01:35:17 PM »
I have a teacher friend who helped his wife run a catering business, he said the routine was something like this:

Friday:  Out of school at 3 pm, arrive at commissary by 4 pm, prep till midnight.

Saturday:  Up at 5 am, finished prepping and load for event.  Set up and serve event. Packup and after event at about midnight.

Sunday:  Drag self out of bed and wash dishes at commissary all day.

Monday:  Up at 6 am, teaching little monsters by 7 am.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
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« Reply #392 on: July 16, 2012, 06:57:59 PM »
 :-D yep sort a
Not quite that bad but close for me its about 15 hrs total  time all said and done, Just to show up and make 40 pizzas. In the groove now and going smoothly. Happy with proceedures and profits.  Turning down work for price  or double request  (3 so far !) still cause me Pain . But I will allways be on the J O B .  Organization and implementation are Paramount !
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« Reply #393 on: July 16, 2012, 07:14:31 PM »
What does "double request" mean... that they've asked you again to do it at the reduced fee?
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« Reply #394 on: July 16, 2012, 08:19:03 PM »
pretty sure he means he was asked to do a gig on a date that he already had one booked :D

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« Reply #395 on: July 16, 2012, 10:19:41 PM »
Yep you got it Chnky!  This Saturday is a repeat customer and the price is more than doubled. Customer had no problem and stated " what you do and and your product is worth every Bit"  this is from a business owner who is on the if you cant get what you need then just move on many will see the value of the "experience" This attitude brings out the fiore di latte, Brussel spouts, Bacon Jam, Nutella .... Makes for a great day ! OH yeah  Paid in full already !!
I agree also with whats been said about the big guns $$  and you cant just assume they will pay whatever you want. The Mayor gig, and the big Mansion  I was fair and exactly where I should be! I brought extra made em all and never asked for a dime. Result -There was a handsome tip for my generosity and everyone was quite happy   (OK, when I saw the gold leaf going up in the study price went up a just a bit ;))  I am NOT at $1250 for 40 people yet. But I have been able to get there a few times. I have been wanting to get into a very exclusive local neighborhood less than 5 miles from me where home start at $1.5 M and go to ??? ? Lets just say a few are well over 15,000 sf, Got the call last night and booked for Aug 19 th and again I will be fair they need good pizza too ! Repeat Business is real winner so I want to be back Save the advertising, Guess work, sales pitch ...  I know what the local caterers charge so I refer to that and the fact I spent $17 per kid at my daughters birthday Party to make a chocolate Lollipop. Most moms can relate to that ! its all how you present it and not demand it. Work with them they work with you !
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« Reply #396 on: July 16, 2012, 11:01:15 PM »
John, could you please try an talk a 'lil faster, I mean,like, you're kinda holding up the show here my man!     :-D
Sounds and looks like you're having a great time...we're all having a ball watching you succeed....
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« Reply #397 on: July 17, 2012, 12:13:41 AM »
Sorry Bob  could it be a Jersey thing  :-[ Linda fast paced around here.
Enjoy sharing and hearing feedback good and bad lots of people send a pm or 2 to get some inside info I figure of I put most of it out here that's a few less emails to tackle. I don't  mind and all ways encourage anyone interested to go for it. I have met some great people thru pizza  and most important spread the knowledge of the fabulous pizza napoletana!
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« Reply #398 on: July 22, 2012, 09:54:25 PM »
Me again !  ;D what a perfect day  saturday was for a pizza Party low 70 's not too crazy and niceeasy driveway set up !  arrive 40 pies including 6 nutella  in  11:30 and out 3:30 pm  sweeet ! once again a side mount oven would not have worked just not enough room here . But slipped in end of driveway steps from the  big party tent you can see it i the backgroundand banged em out ! Nice tight effeciant set up, (see steps on L in pic#1)  just the 2 of us. I made my own Margherita to test the product   :chef:
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« Reply #399 on: July 22, 2012, 10:00:47 PM »
Niceand slow after initial rush so I did some cool pies for the crowd. But first off I served the queen ! The guy from Texas ! loved the Bacon with DOP smoked Mozz. ate 2 of them ! and the other is a Tomatoe Garlic and Pancetta
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