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Offline DoughFoSho

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2011, 11:58:59 AM »
Convection? I don't know, both Don and Scott advised me not to do so in my Newbie Topics thread, saying the fan doesn't do good with the baking D:

As for the sauce, I don't know if you're talking to me or Matt, but, When I "cooked" mine, it was on such low heat, just to reduce the watery texture abit, but as I said, I won't cook it at all during my next sauce batch

As for the fermenting,  what do you want to know? o-o
Made the dough into ball (or a few balls, depending on my formula at the certain batch), oil a bowl with a lil olive oil, including the dough ball, just so it wont dry out, put the bowl in a nylon bag, twist in order to seal it well and put in the living room for 24hours (or more)

Anyway guys, regarding pizza peels,
I can get this one (Attached)
it's 45*45CM (17.7*17.7")
but it costs 144 NIS (38.4$), Michael, pretty expensive, no?

Is it a standard price? It seemed so expensive that I had to say no
But if I have no choice I'll go for it D:
« Last Edit: December 04, 2011, 12:06:35 PM by DoughFoSho »

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2011, 01:22:34 PM »
There is a store in tel aviv called mistera you can find it there in almost half price http://www.mistral.co.il/
You can also find there lots of stuff.
I use convection and i am happy. I tried every mode there is to my oven.
But i also turning the pizza during baking.
I use heat from below+covection.
And the crust has nice color.
You should try it :)
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2011, 01:54:47 PM »
Michael, do you place your stone directly on the ovens floor? I read it is harmful to the oven, aswell as the thickness of my stone, bottom heating won't do much
here is the pic of the location+thickness of my stone as posted and discussed in my Help thread:
http://i44.tinypic.com/3479rab.jpg


Anyway, thanks for the site info, Michael, but I fail to find Pizza peel in the site, am I doing something wrong or is it simply not there? o_o



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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2011, 03:22:19 PM »
you to go to the store there is lots of thing that not on the site. like the pizza peel.
i place the stone on the lowest oven rack.
i think we have the same stone.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2011, 01:52:50 AM »
Shahar, the dimensions on that peel look pretty good (for NY style) but the top view doesn't show how well the peel is tapered.  On bad peels, the peel is almost all flat, except for a small tapered area near the edge. On good peels, the taper begins at the handle and goes all the way to the blade, for a very thin very gradual point.

Here's a bad peel

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZTDx7C0OL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

For longer bakes, the broiler is less important, but as you shorten the bake time, the broiler is critical.  In order for the heat from the broiler to have impact, the stone has to be located pretty high in the oven/towards the top shelf.  The stone will pre-heat a bit faster on a lower shelf, but it will pre-heat to pretty much the same temperature on any shelf in the oven.

Plastic or glass proofing containers are better than bags.  This is a good container:

http://www.amazon.com/Pyrex-Storage-7-Cup-Round-Plastic/dp/B000LOWN3C

Get into the habit of taking photos of the dough after balling and after fermenting (get a photo of the bottom of the container)

Have you read up much on cold/refrigerated fermentation? That's how most of us are making NY style dough.

As far as convection goes, we're getting into a subjective area here.  It depends on the oven, but, in my experience, convection gives you faster, more even browning.  NY style pizzas are generally not very evenly browned.  Shahar, up until now, I've been steering you, based upon your excitement regarding Mike's pizzas, not only into the NY style realm, but what I consider to be the best possible example of the genre.  I'm pretty fanatical.  If you've never actually tasted a NY style pizza, then you might want try some different approaches. You never know, you might like the results of convection.  I would hope that eventually, once you get the right oven setup, that you will give my approach a try, but, until then, experiment with things like convection and other styles of pizza.  There are many paths to pizza bliss  ;D

Matt, crushing tomatoes by hand is a last resort to get the driest sauce possible. I don't do it, because you do end up with lumps.  Basically, tomatoes store water in their membranes, the more you break down the tomato, the more water is released.  This is why tomato chunks will be less watery than puree, it's why you should never put tomatoes in a blender and it's also why, if you're processing them, don't go too far or they'll end up watery on you. Crushed tomatoes are generally preferable to puree- if you can get them skinless.  I have a hard time finding crushed skinless tomatoes and opt for puree instead.

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2011, 08:55:27 AM »
Thanks Scott!

What you said regarding a bad and good peel I realized on my own while searcing for a peel, I bumped into this kind of bad peel and figured I don't want those, it makes sense

As for the plastic or glass proofing containers

can you tell me what difference that makes? I don't get it
what is the difference between proofing using a bowl(or any other container, glass bowl, plastic bowl.. w/e) covered (tightly) with nylon or proofing using a plastic container?! I honestly can't find sense to it
As for the cold fermentation, yes I know that, but as we discussed it in my other thread, using a 11% protein flour would get a better result using a warmer proof, remember?

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2011, 10:21:20 AM »
Yes, I recall that discussion.  Now that I've seen what your flour can do, I wouldn't give up on an overnight cold fermentation.  Some members like to 2 and 3 (and more) days- I wouldn't go that long, but try a night in the fridge.

If you're using a bowl that shows the bottom of the dough as it's proofing as well as produces a finished dough ball that's easily removed, then that's fine.  One advantage to the plastic/glass containers, though, is that they can be stacked.  If you're doing, say, 4 batches of dough, this can save a lot of space, especially in the fridge.

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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2011, 11:28:29 AM »
Scott can you please upload a photo of good pizza ?
From you photo i understand thats mine is bad peel.
Thats explains some stuff that happended latly...
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 11:30:07 AM by msheetrit »
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2011, 12:17:29 PM »
Michael, are you asking me to upload a photo of a good pizza peel?

I spent some time last night looking through photos and it seems nearly impossible to find a decent side shot of a good peel.

This shot isn't a side view either, but it should give you a good idea of the gradualness of the taper as well as the overall thinness of the blade:

http://cdnimg.webstaurantstore.com/user-submit/1244220_j78smu.jpg

The product page for this peel can be found here:

http://www.webstaurantstore.com/20-x-21-wooden-pizza-peel-with-21-handle/1244220.html

If it helps, think about the term 'blade' more literally.  A good knife/sword isn't just a thick clunky fat piece of metal with a point carved into the very edge.  The angle of the point starts all the way on the dull side of the blade.

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Re: Pizza! ^_^
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2011, 12:44:21 PM »
If anyone is interested this is a video of Steve opening a dough on my pizza peel.  It is about the same pizza peel Scott 123 posted about.  You can see my pizza peel is cracked, but it still works well.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NY73hZTQGA" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NY73hZTQGA</a>


I posted that link and others at Reply 454 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9908.msg98760.html#msg98760

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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2011, 04:52:26 PM »
Yeah this is how I picuted the peel to look like according to Scotts first description of a 'good peel'
getting sharper and thinner towards the end until eventually forms a sharp blade form

Michael, watch the vid by Norma, and pause the video at 1:25, this will get you a clear view of the "blade" end of the peel, this is what Scott was referring to

Also Michael,, is this why we havn't gotten to see your pizza from your previous batches? your peel messes them up? Cause I remember you said in my thread that you have a dough ball ready for (the other )tomorrow, yet you havn't posted any pics of that said pizza lol

And Scott, I "spray" the bowl and the dough ball with a lil olive oil before proofing, I'm not sure whether it would stick if I didn't but it doesn't stick to my bowls, eventhough they arn't 'special' bowls
some of them are transparent, yes, but the mixer bowl isn't (obviously), but to be honest the dough seemed fine with any sort of bowl

I don't get, however, what you said about the "stacking" part, I mean, judging by the amazon link you have provided, the container seems to be rather small (as in, suitable for a single dough ball), so how can 4 dough balls stack there? I think I'm getting something wrong here
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 07:44:53 AM »
Thank very much scott and norma.
I wonder if the good peel has smother texture beside the shape.
Shahar that isnet the reason why i havent posted, i wrote full reply with photos of the dough before and after profing, of the procces of the sauce making from fresh tomatows.
The pizzas was the best i ever made and by mistake i deleted the whole thing.
I had made one pizza about a month that got stuck on the peel and i did wonder if that was because of the peel.
Good wooden peel like the pictures that scott and norma posted i havent seen in israel at all.
But i had seen iron peel and i wonder if its better then mine.
I am also not pleased with the photos of the pizza i am thinking of buying new camera.
In real life the pizza were amazing and i used 4 kind of cheese on it but in the photos they look regular.
So thats it...but i will post photos of that one i promise.
I upgraded my iphone version and all of my photos are on my comuter. Generally i am on the iphone, ipad or my computer at work.
I want to be here more than i can, i have lots of work and after work i need to help my wife with the baby and also she is not feeling well, we have new one on the way :) she is at the forth month Of her pregrency and not feeling so good so i have couple of minutes to be here at the middle of the week.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2011, 08:41:03 AM »
Sharhar, I use oil in my containers as the sprays do not release well with my higher hyration doughs, but use what works for you. For my size dough balls these round containers work well for me for seperate dough balls. After setting out at room temp for a time I simply invert the container and left the ball fall out on it's own on a floured countertop keeping it's round shape as much as possibly handling the dough as gently as possible when coaxing it out.
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And Scott, I "spray" the bowl and the dough ball with a lil olive oil before proofing, I'm not sure whether it would stick if I didn't but it doesn't stick to my bowls, eventhough they arn't 'special' bowls
some of them are transparent, yes, but the mixer bowl isn't (obviously), but to be honest the dough seemed fine with any sort of bowl

I don't get, however, what you said about the "stacking" part, I mean, judging by the amazon link you have provided, the container seems to be rather small (as in, suitable for a single dough ball), so how can 4 dough balls stack there? I think I'm getting something wrong here

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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2011, 01:39:48 PM »
OH, this is what you mean by stack, simply place one on top of eachother, I thought stacking the dough itself :-D

And I use oil too! I don't have the oil spray thingies, this is why I said 'spray' and not spray, I spil abit oil and then brush it over the bowl and the dough ball

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 10:30:40 PM »

Matt, crushing tomatoes...

Thank you Scott

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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2011, 11:17:00 PM »
I wonder if the good peel has smother texture beside the shape.

Actually the texture does make a difference, but the goal shouldn't be smooth, but kind of velvety/almost furry. I'm pretty sure you can achieve this with most wood peels with some coarse to medium sanding.

Metal doesn't really work as well as wood- the pizza tends to not slide as well.

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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2011, 01:28:59 AM »
Actually the texture does make a difference, but the goal shouldn't be smooth, but kind of velvety/almost furry. I'm pretty sure you can achieve this with most wood peels with some coarse to medium sanding.

Metal doesn't really work as well as wood- the pizza tends to not slide as well.
So you recomend to sand my peel?...
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
Michael, I am recommending that you sand the peel, although, if you have a 'bad peel' with a blunt edge/short taper, sanding isn't going to buy you much. Unless, of course, you have access to a large belt sander and can thin/taper the peel yourself.

Btw, I hope your wife feels better soon.

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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2011, 02:02:45 PM »
Thank you scott!  ;D soon in gods help we will have a new born. :) :)
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2011, 10:24:04 PM »
Thank you scott!  ;D soon in gods help we will have a new born. :) :)

God bless you all and may your new born be strong and healthy!
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