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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2012, 11:24:50 PM »
this is my latest pizza, and I have to say the crust was really good. I had high water a 70% so it stuck to the peel and its not round any more. Ever since I got my bamboo peel its be a lot harder to launch pizza's, and I think the problem with the bamboo peel is its really slick, and when I put the dough on it, the flour or semolina  gets moved or blow off the peel. I think I will have to get a new peel, just have to find out which one's are good. This was a two day cold ferment, grill temp 700, stone temp 625. cooking time of 4:40

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 07:57:57 AM »
That's a great looking pizza!
If you can find a restaurant supply store near you, just get a basic wooden peel. Nothing fancy but they seem to work best for launching pies.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2012, 01:55:55 PM »
Here are my latest attempts at making pizza. The first one, that i decided to make using KABF. I wanted to see how much difference there was between the Power Flour and KABF, since there is only a difference in protein of about 1%. The KABF pizza was good, and it had to much oven spring for me. I don't think it was as good as the power flour, but will have to try it again.

The second pizza was made with power flour they were both 67% hydration. I have changed my cooking set up a bit, and I think the crust is getting browner, just need to get a little more top heat, hopefully it can be done on my Barbecue. Also I have been using Classic Crushed tomatoes the last few times and they have been pretty good.

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2012, 11:00:03 PM »
Both great looking pies Lance. I really like the look of the first one. It looks so tender.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 12:28:14 AM »
Both great looking pies Lance. I really like the look of the first one. It looks so tender.

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Thanks Craig, yes it was very tender. I was surprised by how big the crumb was, I think it was because I was very gentle stretching it and the stone was like 700 degrees or 725. I have to say it was the best crust I have ever made out of KABF.

Also all those caputo pies you make in your wood fired oven look really great and I'll bet they are really tender to. I have tried to make some caputo pies but I just can't get enough top heat, so I have to admire yours and everyone's on this forum. But some day I'm going to build me a wood fired Oven.
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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2012, 01:29:32 AM »
Before I had my WFO, I made my best pies from KAAP. They were much better than pies I made from KABF.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2012, 10:45:39 AM »
Now that think about it,  I haven't used KAAP flour to make pizza. I'm going to have to give that a try. I think I will make one with KAAP and the other with Power flour, and make them using the same recipe and see what I think.
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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2012, 12:41:59 AM »
So tonight i made pizza in one day, a first for me. It all started with a link to a story about bread making using the Autolyse method. I thank TXCraig1 for the link.

KAAPF
water  68%
IDY     7%
salt     2.5%
sugar  2%
oil       3%

So i mixed only water and flour and let it set for 3 hrs. Then I added the rest of the ingredients, mixed for 4 mins. Let it set in the oven for 90 mins with only the light on. Then I took it out and divided and balled it and let it rise for another 90 mins, before shaping into a pizza.
  The dough was easy to work with. I also cooked this in my home oven instead of the barbecue. The pizza was good, not sure if its better than cold ferment, but this is also the first time I have used KAAP to make pizza, but I have some KAAP cold fermenting in the fridge so I will try that in a day or two. Then I can compare them. I will be trying this again, but I will try with different flours just to see how it comes out. Plus I had to type this out twice, there was an error and all was lost :o Here are some pics the first one is a vegan pizza for my wife.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2012, 05:24:49 PM »
Two more great looking pies Lance. I look forward to hearing how you think the AP results compare to the BF.

Plus I had to type this out twice, there was an error and all was lost :o

I've had that happen to me more than once. If I'm attaching pictures and am going to type more that a couple sentences, I write it in Word and then copy it over here so I won't have to re-type if it eats my post.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2012, 12:43:21 AM »
So here are the pizza's I made tonight the first one is KAAP flour. They were cold fermented for 3 days, don't know if that is to long for this flour. It made a good tasting pizza, and I think I'm finally getting the cheese and sauce amounts closer to what I want. I always put to much on, especially the cheese.

 Now the second pizza is Power Flour, and I have to say as good as the KAAP pizza was. The Power flour pizza was better tasting. I need to get some more KASL to compare the too flours.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2012, 04:12:07 AM »
Lance,

You can never have too much cheese  ;D ! You might want to check out the Superpeel (http://www.amazon.com/EXO-Super-Pizza-Solid-White/dp/B001T6OVPO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333095064&sr=8-1). That is what I use and it is great. Youtube some videos of it and you will be a believer. I think it is pretty popular in the BBQ pizza realm.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2012, 10:51:25 PM »
Lance,

You can never have too much cheese  ;D ! You might want to check out the Superpeel (http://www.amazon.com/EXO-Super-Pizza-Solid-White/dp/B001T6OVPO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333095064&sr=8-1). That is what I use and it is great. Youtube some videos of it and you will be a believer. I think it is pretty popular in the BBQ pizza realm.

Jeff


thanks for the tip Jeff

I have seen the super peel, but if I had one, I would feel like I'm cheating a little bit, but who knows one day I may get one. They look nice though. I am going to just kept trying and practicing.
  This pizza crust thing gets crazy sometimes for me I thought the power flour was best when it was hot out the oven. Now the next Day I almost think the KAAP pizza crust was better. Maybe I will see if I can find any other flour in town, some people us bromated maybe I should give that a try if I can find it. Do you know of any bromated flours since you also live on the west coast.
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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2012, 11:57:44 AM »
So I made some more pizza last night. The first one was made from a 21 hr cold ferment with power flour. It tasted good and would have been better if I had some really good cheese to use on it it was just plain old grocery store whole milk mozzarella. The sauce was really good tonight I finally go some more Fresh Basil, I should just throw out that dried stuff not that good. The pizza's where cooked in home oven on stone so the bottom was not a cook as much as I would like, but the top cooked pretty well.
water 65%
IDY   .50%
Salt    2%
Oil      3%

 The second pizza was a 71hr cold ferment and it stretched out really easy. It tasted great, I wonder if there is some way to make the a 24 hr cold ferment taste better? Like cold ferment at a warmer temp like 50 degrees or something like that. If any one has any Ideas I would love to here them. thanks

water 65%
IDY   .32%
salt    2%
Oil     3%

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2012, 12:17:17 PM »
Lance
 
Not meaning to be critical, but your pie is far too small and too thick to be called NY style. True NY style is much thinner, and the classic size is 18 inches. Perhaps if you took the same dough ball and stretched it to 18" with far less outer crust you would have a much more representative NY style. Cold fermenting for 3 days is about ideal, and after that amount of time the dough should open very easily.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2012, 01:15:42 PM »
Lance
 
Not meaning to be critical, but your pie is far too small and too thick to be called NY style. True NY style is much thinner, and the classic size is 18 inches. Perhaps if you took the same dough ball and stretched it to 18" with far less outer crust you would have a much more representative NY style. Cold fermenting for 3 days is about ideal, and after that amount of time the dough should open very easily.


that's no problem, I'll take all suggestions or Criticism, no matter what they are.  :)
Everybody haves there own take on pizza so its all good.
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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2012, 01:55:26 PM »
Lance,

I like the looks of your pizzas. Can you tell us what amount of dough you used and the corresponding pizza size? Getting the desired crust thickness is a matter that is easily resolved. I personally like thicker crusts for the NY style than most, but we can restructure your dough formulations to get pretty much whatever you want.

There are limitations as to what you can do from a flavor standpoint with a straight dough cold fermented for only one day. To get materially more byproducts of fermentation that contribute to crust flavor (and also more crust color, aroma and texture), you would have to use preferments or natural starters. However, there may be a few small changes that, collectively, might give you better crust flavor. For example, you could try a flour that has more protein--and hence more flavor--than the Power flour you are using, or you might add some other flour that has a nice natural wheaty flavor. An organic flour, or some other artisan flour, although more expensive than most flours, might also be an option. You can also add small amounts of other flours to the base flour, such as whole wheat flour (regular or white whole wheat) or rye flour or maybe an Ultragrain product. You can also use fresh yeast or ADY to get a small amount of flavor that is naturally inherent in those forms of yeast. You didn't indicate what kind of oil you are using, but you might try using all olive oil or maybe some other flavorful, but not overpowering, oil. I notice that you didn't use any sugar in your dough, but you could use some honey or maybe even a small amount of molasses or maple syrup or even barley malt syrup (nondiastatic). You can also add some garlic powder to your dough, and dried herbs as well. Some members like to substitute beer for some or all of the formula water but that can be quite expensive if you use the beers that seem to do the best at adding flavor to the finished crust. Of course, you don't have to use all of the above possibilities. I mention them solely to give you some ideas that you might consider based on your personal preferences, pocketbook and willingness to experiment.

To get more byproducts of fermentation, you might also let the dough balls rest at room temperature for about an hour or two before refrigerating them. You can also give the dough balls a prolonged temper at room temperature before using them to make pizzas. The objective of these steps is to squeeze as much fermentation into the dough balls as possible, short of overfermentation.

Please keep us posted as to your progress. Making a very good straight one-day cold fermented dough is a real challenge.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2012, 03:06:54 PM »
Wow thanks for all that info Pete-zza

I have been using just Vegetable oil, I have use other oils in the past. The first pizza was about 13 inches dough weight was about 375 g.  the last pizza was 14 1/2 inch and dough weight of about 500 g. I didn't stretch it out as much I should have.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2012, 12:20:03 PM »
Well tonight I made some more one day pizza dough and it was better this time. First the Recipe. I made two 14 inch pizzas one vegan and one with meat.

flour Power
Water 64%
IDY    .42%
Oil      3% veg
Sugar  1%

So i mixed the dough for about 4 mins. let it sit for about 10 mins and mixed again for 2 to 3 mins. I then left in on the counter for three hours in bulk. After three hours I balled and put in fridge, dough was in fridge for 17 hrs.

 The dough wasn't as easy to open and 2 or three day fermented dough, but it still opened fine. What I was surprised to see was that the crust was getting browner then it normal did. I thought that it would be lighter, but I guess the time on the counter helped it some how, not sure. It tasted good and it was crisp. The only thing was I got a good deal on polly-o cheese and it wasn't low moister so the pizza was a little wet, But since I never tried that cheese before, I had to try it. I just want to say that the crust was good, not as good as 3 day dough, but good. Here's a few pics

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2012, 01:57:11 PM »
Lance,

Usually for a cold fermented NY style dough you don't need to add any sugar to the dough until you get out to about three days of cold fermentation. Over that time period, there are enough sugars released from the damaged starch by enzymatic performance (simple sugars) to feed the yeast and to have some leftover (residual sugars) to participate in Maillard reactions to produce color in the finished crust. If you add sugar to the dough and use the dough after about a day, you are very likely to get increased crust coloration because of caramelization of complex sugars and the Maillard reactions. Tom Lehmann discusses this effect of sugars added to a dough in a PMQ Think Tank post at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4669&hilit=#p26890.

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Re: My New York pizza
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2012, 11:45:03 PM »
My next pizza is more New York like. the crust still puffed up, I guess I have to make it even smaller still. It tasted great, I still think I could have made it a little thinner. I like when you get the right amounts of sauce and cheese together.

This is a one day pizza again.
Lance