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L&B Hydrid
« on: February 29, 2012, 12:07:59 PM »
I have been playing around with a highly hydrated dough using starter, and the topping sensibilities of L&B Spumoni Gardens in Brooklyn. I am still dialing in TF and bake temp. This one was made with a combination of room temp and cold fermentation, a delicate layer of shredded smoked mozz, a layer of sharp provolone, and slightly reduced San Marzanos. Topped with high quality percorino. Baked in the middle rack with another steel pan just above to radiate heat down.

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 12:10:58 PM »
Nice!

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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 12:50:34 PM »
John,

Your L&B Hybrid sure looks tasty!  ;D  Nice job!

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 03:14:52 PM »
John

Very nice pie, looks tasty . I think you can cram way more taste into a large pan pizza then you can on delicate neapolitan doughs. I love the fact that you proofed your dough in a rectangular pan. I find that makes the dough easier to work with when trying to spread it out in a similar shape.

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 06:07:20 PM »
Wow, that is a great looking Sicilian John. Well done!.
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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 06:39:16 PM »
Very nice!

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 06:49:31 PM »
John

Very nice pie, looks tasty . I think you can cram way more taste into a large pan pizza then you can on delicate neapolitan doughs. I love the fact that you proofed your dough in a rectangular pan. I find that makes the dough easier to work with when trying to spread it out in a similar shape.

Thanks All!

Dave - At this high a hydration, the rectangular shaped pans are a must for me. Any more manipulation than needed can ruin the dough.

John

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 07:48:38 PM »
John, How was the provolone? Did the smoked mootz flavor come through? Is the hybrid an upgrade from the "original"? Looking to "improve" it?

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17:01 AM »
John, How was the provolone? Did the smoked mootz flavor come through? Is the hybrid an upgrade from the "original"? Looking to "improve" it?

John - The cheese substitution was definitely a plus for me. The provolone is basically mozzarella anyway, but I was sure to get a high quality one with some sharpness. And yes, the smoked mozz came through very well.

The reason I am playing with this is that I love the idea of the L&B toppings sequence (protecting the cheese for longer bakes, the avalanche of sauce), but I am not a fan of the crumb. The high level of mixing involved and use of commercial yeast does not interest me. I love levains. So this is my attempt at making the style my own. I still need to work out a way to strengthen the dough for the heavy toppings at such a high hydration. My next attempt will be to develop the acids more during fermentation, which will help strengthen the dough - but too much and it gets sour.

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 06:38:26 AM »
John -, the smoked mozz came through very well.


I used one of the recipes in the other thread yesterday and used some mozz I smoked in early January...... the smoked flavor came through in mine as well.

I wish I had taken some pictures.  I have never had pizza from L&B but my crumb looked alot like the pics in the slice writeup. 



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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 06:43:02 AM »
I used one of the recipes in the other thread yesterday and used some mozz I smoked in early January...

Very nice - I have to try smoking my own.

John

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 08:34:44 AM »
John, I wonder if some of the "good things" the oil adds might be accomplished with a little potato flour or the addition of cooked, riced, russet potato.

I like the idea of taking the good from the L&B style (mostly the sauce on top of the cheese) and making a better crust. This is something I did some time ago as well. I was trying to make the ultimate Sicilian. Getting the right moistness and tenderness of crumb were the biggest challenges. I got sidetracked on other stuff and never finished my quest. Hopefully I get make another few attempts and contribute here! :)

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 08:56:19 AM »
John, I wonder if some of the "good things" the oil adds might be accomplished with a little potato flour or the addition of cooked, riced, russet potato.

I like the idea of taking the good from the L&B style (mostly the sauce on top of the cheese) and making a better crust. This is something I did some time ago as well. I was trying to make the ultimate Sicilian. Getting the right moistness and tenderness of crumb were the biggest challenges. I got sidetracked on other stuff and never finished my quest. Hopefully I get make another few attempts and contribute here! :)

The addition of potato either as flour or whole might be very interesting. I have never used that ingredient in dough before, so please do contribute your progress. I, too, am after the perfect "sicilian".

John

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 08:35:09 AM »
The problem I had in my previous attempt was that the center did not rise as much as the edges - this is a highly hydrated dough. I added a mixer session (intermediate mix) into the workflow and only did 2 stretch/folds during the bulk. I also extended the room temperature fermentation by 2 hours to build up more acidity and strength. The result was a very open crumb that held up the heavy toppings evenly, with great oven spring.

John

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 10:50:55 PM »
What's the current bake time, temp, and position for this method?

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 01:32:23 PM »
What's the current bake time, temp, and position for this method?

The last one I did was around 18 minutes at 500 - with another pan just above it in the middle rack.

John

Edit: corrected bake time.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 08:31:30 PM »
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What's the current bake time, temp, and position for this method?

My L&B's at 72% HR, 3% Oil and TF = 0.16 take about 18 min. at 475.   First 10 min on the stone, bottom.  Last 8 min on the middle rack.

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The last one I did was around 8 minutes at 500 - with another pan just above it in the middle rack.

I suspect John might be using a higher HR.

John....HR, Oil% and TF?

Thanks,

Paul





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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 10:35:24 PM »
Paul - I left out a 1 in my previous post. 18 minutes. TF is .175 and hydration is above 80%.

John

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 10:39:56 PM »
Thanks John. My book arrived today from Italy.  Apparently, if you don't spring for the extra 4 euro, it is shipped via tuna boat or something......

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Re: L&B Hydrid
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 01:54:30 PM »
Wow that looks delicious. Since I get comfortable working with highly hydrated doughs It's been a while since I make dough below 73% hydration.

Paul. I'm still waiting my book  ??? it supposed to arrive in April 17.