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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2012, 09:58:54 AM »
  you all forget we are a bunch of pizza geeks. in our area there is a pizzeria called wood and wine. they make America style and Neapolitan using caputo and the same oven using low enough temperature to cook traditional and Neapolitan . so we eat the pizza and we taste a margherita that is dry,overly crispy, also white in color. we would not like it because we know what caputo baked at high temperature tastes like.most of the public doesn't. so they are loving the product. 

I can't disagree with what you say Larry, but I'm curious. What would you say to a customer who told you that your Neapolitan pizza was not good, that it doesn't taste like the real Neapolitan pizza they got from Wood and that Wine?
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2012, 10:19:02 AM »
I must add my 2c. I recently tried California Pizza Kitchen and the pizza was just Blaaaaah. I remember the little rectangle pizza's from my grade school cafeteria having more flavor. The place was packed to the back though, and everyone seemed happy. I don't know. Maybe I ordered the wrong item.... or they were training that night.... but I guess I my expectations were higher because the word "Pizza" is part of the business name.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2012, 11:15:39 AM »
After reading back, I see that Lombardi's was mentioned and I have to agree.

My college roommate was from Brooklyn and he used to always rant about how bad our pizza in Ohio was compared to what you could get in NYC. So when I visited NYC for the first time I figured that I had to try some pizza. I had no idea where to go but I had heard of Lombardi's and how long they had been around, so I figured that they must be doing something right.

I was very underwhelmed. I can't say that it was terrible, but it was average at best. I had plenty of pizza in Ohio that was far better IMO. Perhaps if my expectations were not so high, I may have liked it a little more, but it sure didn't seem like legendary pizza to me.
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2012, 11:20:01 AM »
Pizzeria Paradiso in DC comes to mind. I was not at all impressed with the pizza, but the place was packed. I think the reasons JT noted hit the nail on the head. Also, if you're told the pizza is good and you don't know any better, (unless it is really bad) you will probably think it is good in blissful ignorance, and then tell others who don't know any better. It's sad.

HA! my friend is the manager of Pizza P and he loves the pizza. i thought it wasn't what he built it up to be, but didn't want to hurt his feelings.  :-X

they're cooking with a woodstone at around 650 with a 7 or so minute bake time. people really do love that place, though. i guess a super-stacked beer list probably helps the pizza taste better  ;D
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2012, 08:03:24 PM »
Lots of them around me. But people around here don't know what good pizza is so...

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2012, 09:16:47 PM »
 craig, good question i would hope i could produce a pizza that would not allow the customer to say that. after 30 years i realize that you will not get every one to like what you do,if you did there would be no competition. i do not put down my competition so would would say that my pizza is traditional Neapolitan that has to cook hot and fast to  get the full experience of  the real pizza of naples . i would ask them what they like about wood and wine so i could see what the customers perception was. it is always my goal to see what i did wrong so it can be improved. trust me i examine my bus tubs for uneaten food.if it is there my waitstaff gets questioned.
 

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2012, 01:15:08 PM »
You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.                                                                                                             
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If I go to your establishment and do not like your pizza - I will make it a point to tell you about it.  I'll take my chances that you will tell me to get out and not come back. There are plenty of bad pizza places in Houston - I try to look for reviews before dining out.

A real pizzeria is driven by someone with a passion for making pizza first and foremost.  Someone who truly loves their craft.  (including the pizza makers with horrible recipes)  If money were no object ... this someone would still choose to make pizzas.

A business like the chain type-pizza joints are driven by corporations or entrepreneurs with a passion for making money first and foremost. These businesses are completely devoid of a passion for making real pizza.  If money were no object... these corporations, entrepreneurs and their employees are all individuals who would choose to never touch a ball of dough again.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2012, 01:19:08 PM »

In Baltimore, Brick Oven Pizza (BOP) comes immediately to mind.

http://www.boppizza.com/

There is a running joke among the more hardcore Baltimore pizza peeps......What do Guy Fieri, Kevin Bacon, George Carlin and Luciano Pavarotti have in common? They don't know s#&t about pizza.

Crust is often super floppy, under cooked, long bake times, heavy gum lines, bland and often not noticeably better than a bake done in a conveyor oven. "Darker" tasting, tired marinara like sauce, mediocre cheese....you get the picture. And yet the joint is always packed. Go figure--K

Could not agree more, I have been there twice - both times just not good. Especially now that there is Coal Fire close by. That place has good pizza but no crowds yet  ???

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 08:26:42 AM »
As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, taste is in the palate of the diner. I always remember the story about a U.S. air base that was closed down in Turkey many years ago. In the emergency shelter they had tons of survival biscuits (high calorie biscuits loaded with fat). As these were at out of date by the time of base closing it was decided to bury the biscuits in a trench. This was done and all was good until the base was turned over to the locals, who, upon gaining access to the base, were curious as to what was buried in that trench so they dug it up and found what they perceived to be a treasure trove of a local delicacy, rancid fat. The local delicacy was essentially rancid yak butter, and evidentally those survival biscuits, however rancid they were, became a delicacy to the local palate, and all was good. Not exactly my cup of tea, but who am I to argue?
On a side note: I was living in Chicago when the first woodfired pizzas were introduced there. What a fiasco that was! You see, the locals were not used to that type of pizza so it was perceived to be burnt, and they were sent back to the kitchen with the admonishment "this pizza is burnt!" Then the word went out that "you don't want to eat at a pizzeria that has one of those wood burning ovens, because they burn the pizzas". That really slowed down woodfired pizzas in the Windy City. It's all good now because they are used to it, and know what to expect, but it sure didn't begin that way.
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2012, 08:40:07 AM »
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You see, the locals were not used to that type of pizza so it was perceived to be burnt, and they were sent back to the kitchen with the admonishment "this pizza is burnt!"]You see, the locals were not used to that type of pizza so it was perceived to be burnt, and they were sent back to the kitchen with the admonishment "this pizza is burnt!"
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That gave me a chuckle. I am in a market where "Pizza Hut" = pizza, and nothing else. Or the real local chains which offer white bread with ketchup and cheese.

Unfortunately, I just had my current employer invest in a pizza oven for me. The Expat community is going nuts with the pizza I am putting out, but the locals want their wonder bread crust. So we are thinking we will have to offer both styles.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2012, 12:04:30 PM »
There's a place in town near me that sells the only WFO pizza for 200 miles. It's a shame the pizza tastes like %$#. They don't even realize the market they could capture with that oven if they only educated themselves on how to use it properly. Pizzas come out with very little to no char, undercooked veggies and mediocre toppings. It's akin to a pizza made on naan bread and warmed up in the microwave.
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2012, 08:41:58 PM »
It's akin to a pizza made on nan bread and warmed up in the microwave.

HAHAHAHAHA. ohhhh man I think the for the first in my life I don't feel like pizza. ok I am off to  look at some pictures of pizza to get that image of naan pizza out of my head hahahha

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2012, 07:14:49 PM »

is it just most Americans really still don't know good food?


Please.  Go to Italy and try some BBQ.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2012, 08:47:45 PM »
Please.  Go to Italy and try some BBQ.

what do you mean?

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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2012, 09:34:35 PM »
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Quote from: David Deas on Today at 07:14:49 PM
Please.  Go to Italy and try some BBQ.

what do you mean?

Far be it from me to put words in Mr. Deas' mouth, but I think he means, and I agree, that all parts of the world have their own exceptional foods........

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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2012, 10:00:51 PM »
Far be it from me to put words in Mr. Deas' mouth, but I think he means, and I agree, that all parts of the world have their own exceptional foods........

ohh right, yes makes sense.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 07:34:32 PM »
Buca di Beppo. This is more about their entire menu than just their crappy pizza, I guess, but that place sucks. I don't know how they've managed to trick tons of people into thinking they're some kind of "authentic" Italian restaurant.
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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2012, 08:14:25 PM »
Buca di Beppo. This is more about their entire menu than just their crappy pizza, I guess, but that place sucks. I don't know how they've managed to trick tons of people into thinking they're some kind of "authentic" Italian restaurant.
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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2012, 11:44:10 AM »
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We went to a BDB in a predominantly hispanic town and I swear the tomato sauce tasted like a salsa. Hints of jalapeno, cayenne and an overpowering pepper flavor. Since when does authentic tomato sauce have heat to it? I think they've totally taken the "wholesome" and "simple" approach to italian cooking and bastardized it. Olive Garden is not too far behind. I would not have been surprised to see churros at the table instead of breadsticks.

Maggiano's Little Italy used to be good for Italian, but my last experience there was only so-so. The quality of the product has dropped significantly since they are trying to squeeze more margins out of diners having the family style menu.

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Re: Anyone know any pizzerias which are popular but serving bad pizza?
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2012, 04:15:17 AM »
Olive Garden is horrible. Carrabas is pretty awful too.

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« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2012, 11:30:41 AM »
Believe me, Olive Garden was also very present in my mind when I mentioned Buca di Beppo. Olive Garden's level of ineptitude and suckitude truly blows my mind, but I didn't list it because I don't think they have pizza on their menu. Never been to Carrabas.
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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2012, 11:40:57 AM »
I had a "white" pizza at olive garden before. I'm pretty sure they still have it on the menu. Yes they sell pizza. It was the "chicken alfredo". It was something like a California Pizza Kitchen/Pre-frozen reheated thing. I really hate the WFO ripoff style that comes soggy and undercooked.
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« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2012, 12:59:40 PM »
-1 Olive Garden

I have to somewhat disagree about Olive Garden. While it is certainly not my favorite restaurant, I can't call it "horrible." As far as their pizza goes, OK it is horrible, but there are some things on the menu that I really like. The Ravioli di Portobello is very good. Is it really authentic Italian fare? Probably not, but if it tastes good, who cares? I get authentic Italian meals at home. My wife is Italian, and she learned how to cook from her grandmother who was an Italian immigrant. I don't expect to get authentic Italian food from a chain restaurant, but IMO Olive Garden does a much better job than Carrabbas or Bucca di Beppos.

As far as Bucca di Beppos goes, I think that it's a great concept but the problem is that the food stinks and the service is even worse.
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« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2012, 04:17:18 PM »
It's a shame you guys didn't get to try Carrabbas back when there were just two of them here in Houston. They were actually pretty good restaurants. It's a shame what they have become. Even the original ones are pretty bad now.
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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2012, 04:42:27 PM »
Yeah, Carrabbas was good years ago when they first came to our area too. We used to go about once a month. But the last few times were not good at all. It seems that the only seasoning that they now use is salt. No garlic, oregano, basil, etc., that you expect in Italian food, just salt and lots of it.
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