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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2013, 08:53:51 PM »
The spider web or, as I call it, ghost crumb is a form of a Cyclops. A freak of nature that can't be reliably duplicated so why waste your time?
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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2014, 02:13:18 PM »
I think it's degraded gluten - specifically the gliadins - the part of the gluten matrix responsible for the viscous properties. I stand to be corrected, but I believe the enzymes naturally present in the flour primarily work on the gliadins. The glutenins which contribute the elasticity and strength are more prevelent. That's what this looks like to me. Some strings with strength (the remaining glutenins sticking together), but little of the viscous properties remaining. It looks a lot like what you see in a mature starter - espically one made from bakers yeast without the enzymes of a sourdough that really go to work on the gliadins and glutenins both leaving a very liquid result. That's my guess anyway. How it happens over night, I don't know. Overmixing maybe?

For example, this picture of Norma's starter from the link Chau posted above. It also looks like this picture from the "Beer Dough Wierdness" post which also questioned overmixing: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,18212.msg176429.html#msg176429.

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I get this desired "spiderwebbing" simply from letting my dough double in size on the counter straight out of the fridge from a 24 hr cold ferment.

It never fails....that + shaping the rim so it has the room for this kind of spring.

Definitely not from overmixing.

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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2014, 11:54:20 PM »
Funny enough I started this discussion, have no idea how to achieve it but somehow every time I make a pizza I do get that desired spider web effect. But when I read how Hobbs gets it I realize I do the same as him and of course I get it.

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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2014, 11:57:22 PM »
Funny enough I started this discussion, have no idea how to achieve it but somehow every time I make a pizza I do get that desired spider web effect. But when I read how Hobbs gets it I realize I do the same as him and of course I get it.

Big air pockets in the rim most likely cause it.
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« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2014, 05:46:58 AM »
That's really all it is.  Lol.

I just made two pies yesterday, should have taken pics

Proof it at room temp, after a cold ferment or not, and let it rise until it's near blowing out. Minimal handling when opening and stretching the ball is important too.

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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2014, 07:34:32 AM »
Good job guys.  Another pizza mystery solved.

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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2014, 07:34:51 PM »
That's really all it is.  Lol.

I just made two pies yesterday, should have taken pics

Proof it at room temp, after a cold ferment or not, and let it rise until it's near blowing out. Minimal handling when opening and stretching the ball is important too.

But is it good or bad?  That is still up in the air.

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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2014, 09:03:38 PM »
But is it good or bad?  That is still up in the air.

Depends on if you want it or not, right?

If you ask me, it's not desirable, but this thread clearly shows some folks think it is.
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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2014, 12:55:01 AM »
Depends on if you want it or not, right?

If you ask me, it's not desirable, but this thread clearly shows some folks think it is.

In my opinion it is neither good or bad but as far as liking it I do like it but I've posted that before. It's a really cool effect in my book.


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« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2014, 02:07:50 AM »
But is it good or bad?  That is still up in the air.

Nate

Well, obviously it's a subjective thing. I.highly prefer it because all the parlors in NJ I grew up.eating at had these little anomalies....so a nostalgia component is there. It may not impart any different flavor characteristics, even though IMO it does because these bubbles tend to brown quickly, but the textural difference is huge for me.
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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2014, 03:26:35 PM »
In my opinion it is neither good or bad but as far as liking it I do like it but I've posted that before. It's a really cool effect in my book.

I agree.  And I really like the textures.
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« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2014, 08:47:53 PM »
spider ?
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Re: Spider Web Effect In Rim of Crust - How To Achieve?
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2014, 11:44:21 AM »
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« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2014, 12:51:51 PM »
That's how my lungs look.  :)
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« Reply #89 on: April 22, 2014, 02:13:18 PM »
Black widow web


 

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