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Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« on: April 02, 2012, 11:22:55 AM »
I am not sure if this post should be in the General or American boards, so I just am going to post it here.

I had wanted to use up some of the durum and dark rye flours I have at home.  The durum flour was purchased from Bova Foods. I used the formulation Peter set-forth in Reply 949 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,3940.msg165549.html#msg165549 but modified it to a 16” pizza and a TF of 0.08. 

I guess either because the durum flour I have is older, or that it might absorb more water, I had to add 50 more grams of water to the mix. It also could have been the dark rye flour absorbs more water.  I don’t really know why the dough felt too dry. Then the dough was sticky, but manageable.  The dough feels very heavy, so I will see what happens when it is made into a pizza.  The dough was mixed last evening. Picture from last evening of the dough ball and pictures this morning of the dough ball top and bottom.

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 11:24:45 AM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 11:34:26 AM »
Any plans for the toppings? Pastrami and swiss maybe?

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 12:03:57 PM »
Any plans for the toppings? Pastrami and swiss maybe?

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Craig,

I really didn't think about plans for the toppings.  Pastrami and swiss sure would taste good if the pizza turns out okay.  I can purchase really good Pastrami from NY at a Green Store near me, but don't think I will have time today to go there.  Maybe if the pizza turns out okay I will purchase some Pastrami for next week.

Thanks for your idea for toppings!  :)

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 12:12:47 PM »
Norma,
After working with semolina doughs regularly over the last year, I can tell you from experience that the dough is a bit heavier and needs a bit more hydration than other doughs to get optimal results.  For my 100% semolina doughs, I am typically around 72-74% hydration and between 68-70% for a 50/50 blend with AP. This flour absorbs water much more slowly than other flours too. So once the dough has been lightly mixed, I will normally let it autolyse for 10 mins before proceeding any further.
If it helps, the workflow I have been using for semolina doughs are to add all the water to 90% of the flour in your formula. I mix the flour and water by hand till it forms a mass and let it rest for 10 mins. After 10 mins, I  mix in the remaining 5-10% of the flour (depending on how the dough feels) and let it rest for 10 more mins. From there I will do a series of stretch and folds to lightly develop the gluten. I do not like using mechanical means of mixing in this instance as I find that the dough becomes too tough.
If your final product does not come out as planned, don't give up on semolina. Since I have been trying to develop my VPS (Vera Pizza Sicilia) recipe, I have became hooked on the flavor and textures that can be coxed out of semolina breads and pizzas, but it does take a bit of patience and practice to achieve good results with this flour.

The dough formula that has worked out really well for me in the past is:
100% flour (60% durum and 40% AP)
70 % Water
.3% IDY or 5% starter
1.8% Salt
1% olive oil
Below are two such examples from this recipe.
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 01:29:32 PM »
Oh that looks GOOD.  That looks really yummy!

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 06:48:42 PM »
Jim,

Thanks for the tips when working with semolina flour. Thanks also for giving me your workflow.  I will remember that for my next attempt.   

I appreciate your formulation also with the KAAP and durum flour.

Your pies look great!  :chef:

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 04:12:57 PM »
The pizza  made with the durum flour, rye and molasses turned out okay, but was a little too dense.  The crumb was moist and the bottom curst did look like it might have been burnt, but wasn’t.  The dough ball started to open up nicely but then wanted to tear in a few spots.  It seems like not enough gluten was formed.  I guess that could have been from the rye flour that was added.  The dressings were half blend of mozzarellas and half blend of swiss cheese, with my regular sauce, and Capicola.  The swiss cheese blended with mozzarellas was good.

I think I might purchase some Ultragrain flour for my next attempt, and save the durum flour for another kind of pizza.

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 04:13:39 PM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2012, 04:14:31 PM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2012, 04:15:50 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 04:16:33 PM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2012, 04:17:01 PM »
Looks a little denser than your typical pie - to be expected. How did it taste?
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2012, 04:17:41 PM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2012, 04:18:46 PM »
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 04:20:24 PM »
Looks a little denser than your typical pie - to be expected. How did it taste?

Craig,

The crumb was way to dense for my tastes, but the rye taste in the crust was good in my opinion.

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 04:23:48 PM »
Sorry about my question getting suck in the middle of your pictures.  :'(
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 04:33:05 PM »
Sorry about my question getting suck in the middle of your pictures.  :'(

Craig,

I sure don't care about that.  :-D

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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 04:51:44 PM »
Norma,

Unfortunately, I was a little concerned that may happen.  :( Don't feel to bad about your results, I too went through a quite a few hockey pucks like that earlier last year when I first started working semolina/durum. Believe me when I tell you that your pie still looks better than 90% of those first few pies I produced.   
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Re: Durum and Dark Rye Flour with molasses pizza
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 04:55:36 PM »
Norma,

Unfortunately, I was a little concerned that may happen.  :( Don't feel to bad about your results, I too went through a quite a few hockey pucks like that earlier last year when I first started working semolina/durum. Believe me when I tell you that your pie still looks better than 90% of those first few pies I produced.   

Jim,

I sure don’t mind failures.  They just teach me what not to try.  :-D I had many failures since I started to make pizza.

I want to try the durum flour with AP like you did, but will save that for another thread.  I appreciate your help.  :)

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