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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #460 on: July 04, 2014, 12:19:48 PM »
Excellent result,a very good video.
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #461 on: July 07, 2014, 03:57:55 PM »
Hi guys!

After my previous oven (g3ferrari napoli euro express) was declared dead from all the experiments I did on it, I just acquired a new (identical, except for a change of brand name) oven - The Pizza Express Napoli Optima.

This time, I want to do as little modding as possible to achieve the same results I obtained before my old oven died, and have a question:

Should I put some kind of thermal insulation fabric between the stone and the casing, and between the alu-lid and the casing when disabling the thermostat and swapping the top heating element with my already bought (and previously used) 1500W element?

The ekowool that was referred to earlier in this thread are not easily obtainable (at least not the fabric) - and I can't think of any other sort of heat insulation easily acquirable?

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« Reply #462 on: July 07, 2014, 04:24:20 PM »
Hi bearnar,

Should I put some kind of thermal insulation fabric between the stone and the casing, and between the alu-lid and the casing when disabling the thermostat and swapping the top heating element with my already bought (and previously used) 1500W element?

If you can find any insulation which can stand such temperatures and is safe to use with food, it would be great, but it should be doable without insulation. I have 1400W without aluminium foil on dome and without any insulation and the only problem is that it heats up a lot (the surface on top can reach 200C as far as I remember), otherwise it works ok: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg322785#msg322785. That said, I would like to get it insulated at some point.

If you don't use any kind of insulation it's also a good idea to replace all of the plastic parts with something more heat friendly. I attached my replacements.

In the end I guess it's a question on how you value safety, without any insulation you need to be really careful.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 04:26:11 PM by drogus »

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #463 on: July 07, 2014, 04:44:39 PM »
Thanks for the reply!

Maybe a ceramic fiber blanket can do the job - I found a product called "Fiberfrax DS 3mm" at a regional shop online?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #464 on: July 07, 2014, 04:56:08 PM »
Maybe a ceramic fiber blanket can do the job - I found a product called "Fiberfrax DS 3mm" at a regional shop online?

I've been using a ceramic fiber blanket for my little oven, and someone pointed out that there might be a cancer risk involved with it (according to the following PDF: <http://www.furnaceindustries.com/download.php?376f4d2b38775266776b4e4b6f6c666c536854506732313442625075507730626c494d344a326f314f51316b43513d3d> )

So now I'm looking for something safer (this was specifically what I've been using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F6FGK76/?tag=pizzamaking-20 )

Bummer.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #465 on: July 07, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
Put the ceramic blanket inside aluminum foil.

I have 1400W without aluminum foil on dome and without any insulation and the only problem is that it heats up a lot

Hi Drogus

Nice pies on the video !

You should put aluminum pie pan inside the dome for the heat reflexion, the baking time will be shorter.

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« Reply #466 on: July 07, 2014, 05:51:31 PM »
I've been using a ceramic fiber blanket for my little oven, and someone pointed out that there might be a cancer risk involved with it (according to the following PDF: <http://www.furnaceindustries.com/download.php?376f4d2b38775266776b4e4b6f6c666c536854506732313442625075507730626c494d344a326f314f51316b43513d3d> )

So now I'm looking for something safer (this was specifically what I've been using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F6FGK76/?tag=pizzamaking-20 )

Bummer.

Hi!

Yea, a quick search for "fiberfrax + cancer" shows the same results. Basically inhalation of such fibers may cause cancer.. Not good. I already ordered 1 meter of this product (http://glassforum.mamutweb.com/Shop/Product/Keramisk-fiberpapir-Fiberfrax-DS-3mm-61-cm-pr-meter/2210.102.3062A) but it looks like I won't be using it after all..

How have other people insulated their ovens, then?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #467 on: July 08, 2014, 03:13:25 AM »

Nice pies on the video !

Thanks!

You should put aluminum pie pan inside the dome for the heat reflexion, the baking time will be shorter.

Unfortunately there is a little space between the heating element and the dome, mainly because the element is bigger than usual ones. With such setup aluminium would almost touch the element, so I'd rather skip it, especially because I'm ok with current results.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #468 on: July 08, 2014, 05:48:37 PM »
Hi!

Yea, a quick search for "fiberfrax + cancer" shows the same results. Basically inhalation of such fibers may cause cancer.. Not good. I already ordered 1 meter of this product (http://glassforum.mamutweb.com/Shop/Product/Keramisk-fiberpapir-Fiberfrax-DS-3mm-61-cm-pr-meter/2210.102.3062A) but it looks like I won't be using it after all..

How have other people insulated their ovens, then?




I used superwool from axner.com which is biosoluable and is a much safer alternative to other blankets.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #469 on: July 09, 2014, 07:48:02 AM »
I used superwool from axner.com which is biosoluable and is a much safer alternative to other blankets.

Thanks for sharing Iowamcnabb.

Here is the link: http://www.axner.com/superwoolfiber-1thicksoldpersqft.aspx

IMO, the price seems reasonable and rodents seem to "like it".  I'm no expert in this matter, but others might be and are encouraged to comment.

Dave
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #470 on: July 10, 2014, 02:43:42 PM »
Excellent! I will use this fabric instead :)

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #471 on: July 14, 2014, 03:58:50 PM »
Hi
 
In an attempt to try and recreate some of the amazing looking pizzas on here, I'm looking to buy either the g3 Ferarri http://www.ebay.it/itm/ROTEX-G3-FERRARI-FORNO-PIZZA-EXPRESS-DELIZIA-ELETTRICO-RIPIANO-IN-PIETRA-G10006-/281171442922?pt=Forni_Piani_cottura_e_Cappe&hash=item41771fbcea or the Optima Forno Pizza Express http://www.ebay.it/itm/ROTEX-OPTIMA-FORNO-PIZZA-EXPRESS-NAPOLI-GRIGIO-ELETTRICO-PIETRA-REFRATTARIA-/281270300402?pt=Altri_Elettrodomestici&hash=item417d042ef2

Which is the better and which is the easiest to mod/has the most potential?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #472 on: July 20, 2014, 01:23:40 AM »
Hi Dave,

The Optima (ask if it's a round heating element)

better build quality made in Italy, 220V heating elements.



Friday I wanted to bake some pies, I've got a electric fire in the oven just after the preheating   :-\


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #473 on: July 20, 2014, 09:07:40 AM »
I've got a electric fire in the oven just after the preheating   :-\
So sorry Sub.   :(  Thanks for sharing.  I'm guessing you got the wires crossed somehow.  Hopefully nothing else was damaged and simply unplugging the unit took away the ignition source.  Maybe a little snuffing out of burning paint after that?

On the bright side, I like your new seasoning better than before.  The burnt red is so 90s and all the new hot rods are going matte black.  :D

Dave

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #474 on: July 20, 2014, 09:41:35 AM »
Thanks,

No wires crossed, I guess it snapped with the mechanical contraint, I've rewired both and luckily the heating element wasn't damaged.

So the oven is still alive again...

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« Reply #475 on: July 20, 2014, 03:04:13 PM »
Thanks Sub

That's good to know as I ended up ordering Optima on Friday evening and I've got everything ready for the M1 mod.

Sooooo excited  ;D

I was thinking that all needed to get now was an IR thermometer but reckon I'll add a good electrical fire extinguisher to the list too!  ;)

Hope the oven makes a full recovery.

Dave

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #476 on: July 20, 2014, 03:20:21 PM »
Dave, don't forget to remove the ceramic thermostat  inside the dome or you will be disappointed .     see reply #286


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #477 on: July 21, 2014, 05:10:52 PM »
Yeah, I'd spotted that. Once removed do the wires just clip back together or will they need soldering?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #478 on: July 22, 2014, 04:07:15 AM »
No soldering, you just plug it on the thermostat.

You can cut the no longer needed heat sleeve in two and put it inside the hole of each plastic foot to protect the wires.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #479 on: July 22, 2014, 07:59:00 AM »
Thanks!


 

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