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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #450 on: June 09, 2014, 10:43:29 AM »
Yes the heating element stay red until you let the oven open, I don't know why it turn black is it still hot?

(See my reply#410 and your reply#424)

Sub, sorry that I go back to the subject so late. Unfortunately I had not much time for pizzas lately.
As I said before, the "safety" thermostat has been removed in my oven and I only have a aluminium reflector behind the heating element. I still use the method with a small fan and that way the oven does not switch off, even after 30 minutes. The control lamp is on all the time.
When I leave the oven ON, without a pizza in it, the heating element is red hot glowing all the time and the temperature goes up to around 500* C. That way I can also clean the stone nicely. Even when I open the lid shortly to check the temp, the element keeps glowing after closing the lid.
However when I preheat for baking a pizza (and see the element glowing red), as soon a I put the pizza in it and close the lid, the element apparently extinguishes and turns black in colour and stays so. I don't understand this because the control lamp is ON all the time, so the thermostat does not switch off.
Do you have any idea why this is happening ?


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #451 on: June 10, 2014, 09:25:21 AM »
Hi Ton,

Sorry I don't    :-\

It's strange if you oven goes up to 500 without a pie.

Maybe try to remove the thermostat and see how it goes...

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #452 on: June 19, 2014, 11:54:27 AM »
One of my last pies

Divella pizza 65% hydration
40g salt, 0.7g of fresh yeast for one liter
16hin bulk @ 18C and 8 hours in ball @ 22C
baking time 60'


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #453 on: June 19, 2014, 12:04:54 PM »
One of my last pies

Divella pizza 65% hydration
40g salt, 0.7g of fresh yeast for one liter
16hin bulk @ 18C and 8 hours in ball @ 22C
baking time 60'

sub,

That pie looks delicious!  :drool:

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #454 on: July 03, 2014, 11:46:36 AM »
I made a video of making my last neapolitan style:

I used txcraig1's recipe with ischia sourdough and it was quite good, but unfortunately a bit too chewy. I think this is because I haven't done autolyse and it seems barilla 00 is not that strong flour and there was too little gluten (which is also visible at the stage when I'm stretching the dough, usually I need much much less work on it).

I still haven't put aluminium foil inside the dome and I doubt I will, it seems that bigger heating element is enough for nice leoparding and good baking times (ususally 1:20, 1:30). I think I may want to replace it some day with similar one but even a bit bigger (like a 1cm more in diameter) and a bit more stronger (like 1600-1700W instead of 1400W, I use voltage regulator anyway).
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #455 on: July 03, 2014, 12:23:49 PM »
Really nice....  Great job.. They look delicious ... :drool:

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #456 on: July 03, 2014, 12:31:33 PM »
Drogus, It looks like what you already have is pretty adequate as the pies look great.

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« Reply #457 on: July 03, 2014, 12:41:36 PM »
Drogus, It looks like what you already have is pretty adequate as the pies look great.

I can't complain! ;) I'm just wondering how will pies differ with baking times closer to 1m, although I don't think I will change the heating element any time soon - it works great at the moment :)

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« Reply #458 on: July 03, 2014, 05:21:36 PM »
I can't complain! ;) I'm just wondering how will pies differ with baking times closer to 1m, although I don't think I will change the heating element any time soon - it works great at the moment :)
Very nice Drogus!  Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #459 on: July 04, 2014, 08:34:44 AM »
Drogus - impressive Pies! What heating element do you have in yours?
On a neapolitan pizza journey with Wood fired oven Pizza Party 70x70
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #460 on: July 04, 2014, 12:19:48 PM »
Excellent result,a very good video.
Thank you.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #461 on: July 07, 2014, 03:57:55 PM »
Hi guys!

After my previous oven (g3ferrari napoli euro express) was declared dead from all the experiments I did on it, I just acquired a new (identical, except for a change of brand name) oven - The Pizza Express Napoli Optima.

This time, I want to do as little modding as possible to achieve the same results I obtained before my old oven died, and have a question:

Should I put some kind of thermal insulation fabric between the stone and the casing, and between the alu-lid and the casing when disabling the thermostat and swapping the top heating element with my already bought (and previously used) 1500W element?

The ekowool that was referred to earlier in this thread are not easily obtainable (at least not the fabric) - and I can't think of any other sort of heat insulation easily acquirable?

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« Reply #462 on: July 07, 2014, 04:24:20 PM »
Hi bearnar,

Should I put some kind of thermal insulation fabric between the stone and the casing, and between the alu-lid and the casing when disabling the thermostat and swapping the top heating element with my already bought (and previously used) 1500W element?

If you can find any insulation which can stand such temperatures and is safe to use with food, it would be great, but it should be doable without insulation. I have 1400W without aluminium foil on dome and without any insulation and the only problem is that it heats up a lot (the surface on top can reach 200C as far as I remember), otherwise it works ok: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=19732.msg322785#msg322785. That said, I would like to get it insulated at some point.

If you don't use any kind of insulation it's also a good idea to replace all of the plastic parts with something more heat friendly. I attached my replacements.

In the end I guess it's a question on how you value safety, without any insulation you need to be really careful.
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #463 on: July 07, 2014, 04:44:39 PM »
Thanks for the reply!

Maybe a ceramic fiber blanket can do the job - I found a product called "Fiberfrax DS 3mm" at a regional shop online?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #464 on: July 07, 2014, 04:56:08 PM »
Maybe a ceramic fiber blanket can do the job - I found a product called "Fiberfrax DS 3mm" at a regional shop online?

I've been using a ceramic fiber blanket for my little oven, and someone pointed out that there might be a cancer risk involved with it (according to the following PDF: <http://www.furnaceindustries.com/download.php?376f4d2b38775266776b4e4b6f6c666c536854506732313442625075507730626c494d344a326f314f51316b43513d3d> )

So now I'm looking for something safer (this was specifically what I've been using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F6FGK76/?tag=pizzamaking-20 )

Bummer.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #465 on: July 07, 2014, 05:01:55 PM »
Put the ceramic blanket inside aluminum foil.

I have 1400W without aluminum foil on dome and without any insulation and the only problem is that it heats up a lot

Hi Drogus

Nice pies on the video !

You should put aluminum pie pan inside the dome for the heat reflexion, the baking time will be shorter.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #466 on: July 07, 2014, 05:51:31 PM »
I've been using a ceramic fiber blanket for my little oven, and someone pointed out that there might be a cancer risk involved with it (according to the following PDF: <http://www.furnaceindustries.com/download.php?376f4d2b38775266776b4e4b6f6c666c536854506732313442625075507730626c494d344a326f314f51316b43513d3d> )

So now I'm looking for something safer (this was specifically what I've been using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F6FGK76/?tag=pizzamaking-20 )

Bummer.

Hi!

Yea, a quick search for "fiberfrax + cancer" shows the same results. Basically inhalation of such fibers may cause cancer.. Not good. I already ordered 1 meter of this product (http://glassforum.mamutweb.com/Shop/Product/Keramisk-fiberpapir-Fiberfrax-DS-3mm-61-cm-pr-meter/2210.102.3062A) but it looks like I won't be using it after all..

How have other people insulated their ovens, then?


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #467 on: July 08, 2014, 03:13:25 AM »

Nice pies on the video !

Thanks!

You should put aluminum pie pan inside the dome for the heat reflexion, the baking time will be shorter.

Unfortunately there is a little space between the heating element and the dome, mainly because the element is bigger than usual ones. With such setup aluminium would almost touch the element, so I'd rather skip it, especially because I'm ok with current results.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #468 on: July 08, 2014, 05:48:37 PM »
Hi!

Yea, a quick search for "fiberfrax + cancer" shows the same results. Basically inhalation of such fibers may cause cancer.. Not good. I already ordered 1 meter of this product (http://glassforum.mamutweb.com/Shop/Product/Keramisk-fiberpapir-Fiberfrax-DS-3mm-61-cm-pr-meter/2210.102.3062A) but it looks like I won't be using it after all..

How have other people insulated their ovens, then?




I used superwool from axner.com which is biosoluable and is a much safer alternative to other blankets.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #469 on: July 09, 2014, 07:48:02 AM »
I used superwool from axner.com which is biosoluable and is a much safer alternative to other blankets.

Thanks for sharing Iowamcnabb.

Here is the link: http://www.axner.com/superwoolfiber-1thicksoldpersqft.aspx

IMO, the price seems reasonable and rodents seem to "like it".  I'm no expert in this matter, but others might be and are encouraged to comment.

Dave
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #470 on: July 10, 2014, 02:43:42 PM »
Excellent! I will use this fabric instead :)

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #471 on: July 14, 2014, 03:58:50 PM »
Hi
 
In an attempt to try and recreate some of the amazing looking pizzas on here, I'm looking to buy either the g3 Ferarri http://www.ebay.it/itm/ROTEX-G3-FERRARI-FORNO-PIZZA-EXPRESS-DELIZIA-ELETTRICO-RIPIANO-IN-PIETRA-G10006-/281171442922?pt=Forni_Piani_cottura_e_Cappe&hash=item41771fbcea or the Optima Forno Pizza Express http://www.ebay.it/itm/ROTEX-OPTIMA-FORNO-PIZZA-EXPRESS-NAPOLI-GRIGIO-ELETTRICO-PIETRA-REFRATTARIA-/281270300402?pt=Altri_Elettrodomestici&hash=item417d042ef2

Which is the better and which is the easiest to mod/has the most potential?

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #472 on: July 20, 2014, 01:23:40 AM »
Hi Dave,

The Optima (ask if it's a round heating element)

better build quality made in Italy, 220V heating elements.



Friday I wanted to bake some pies, I've got a electric fire in the oven just after the preheating   :-\


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #473 on: July 20, 2014, 09:07:40 AM »
I've got a electric fire in the oven just after the preheating   :-\
So sorry Sub.   :(  Thanks for sharing.  I'm guessing you got the wires crossed somehow.  Hopefully nothing else was damaged and simply unplugging the unit took away the ignition source.  Maybe a little snuffing out of burning paint after that?

On the bright side, I like your new seasoning better than before.  The burnt red is so 90s and all the new hot rods are going matte black.  :D

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #474 on: July 20, 2014, 09:41:35 AM »
Thanks,

No wires crossed, I guess it snapped with the mechanical contraint, I've rewired both and luckily the heating element wasn't damaged.

So the oven is still alive again...


 

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