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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2013, 05:27:58 PM »
Thanks Omid,

I can only imagine, but this little electric device is a good learning tool, it's not so easy to get the leoparding and the texture right, you got to earn it.

No I don't want to make it my job, it's just a good hobby, I like to cook a lot.

I do not know if there is a real authentic pizzeria in the area, it was not long ago since I was interested in the Neapolitan pizza.

We've got an era of mass immigration of Italians in Belgium after the Second World War, Belgium lacked manpower for its coal, its metallurgical industries, its quarries of coal, so we've got TONS of restaurants, specialized grocery store. . .

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Divella pizza Flour (W220-240)
65% hydration
50g salt / liter )
0.25g fresh yeast for 1 liter
rise: 27h in bulk@18C 22 hours in balls @ 22C
stone @t 840F baking time: 1.10min



I'm still not happy with the cooking time, Next step: do a paint job on my rusty old ML Napoli from 1994 and put a more large and powerfull compatible circular heating element, 1600W should do it.



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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2013, 10:48:34 AM »
dough balls from yesterday put in the fridge for the night and cooked  today.




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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2013, 08:25:41 PM »
Great pies man and those Arancini's look awesome too!  :drool:
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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2013, 01:45:08 PM »
Is that durum flour your putting down when shaping your pizza?  I've got a bunch that I use for making bread, but I never thought about using it to shape the pie

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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2013, 05:28:23 PM »
Yes it' Semola di grano duro rimacinata / regrinded Durum wheat Semolina used to make fresh pasta, It won't give you much bitterness.

I was thinking about the power of heating element I should put in my 'lil oven, so I've put water inside my stainless dome to calculate his volume.

We've got 3765g or 132.81oz


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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2013, 03:39:13 PM »
today's bake

Caputo pizzeria is very difficult to brown but I managed to tame it !

60% hydration, 3% salt, 0.03% fresh yeast

24h in bulk @ 65F 25h in balls @ 65-68F
baking time 1'10






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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2013, 05:44:32 AM »
2000W too much ?

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« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2013, 11:47:39 AM »
2000W too much ?
Sub, I have seen some of these burners and they were being sold in the "convection fan" section of catalogs. Notice the 90 degree angle of the ring where the wires connect. Are you going to flip yours over and have the connector prongs go up through the top reflector pan? Thanks!  :chef:
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« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2013, 02:49:09 PM »
I have just purchased a g3 ferrari and would like to add a deflector for the middle.as I seem to struggle to cook the middle properly.could anyone please send me a link to what I need to buy from eBay or similar.thanks


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« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2013, 03:58:23 AM »
I have just purchased a g3 ferrari and would like to add a deflector for the middle.as I seem to struggle to cook the middle properly.could anyone please send me a link to what I need to buy from eBay or similar.thanks

Adding deflector wont make it so much better only a hint better than original. You will need to add another heating element to top.

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« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2013, 04:36:37 AM »
Adding deflector wont make it so much better only a hint better than original. You will need to add another heating element to top.

Thanks.do you have a link to how to install the mods etc

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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2013, 08:13:43 AM »
is it possible to  mount the ground heating element into the top of the oven?

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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2013, 01:30:46 PM »
Yeah It should be.

Sub, I have seen some of these burners and they were being sold in the "convection fan" section of catalogs. Notice the 90 degree angle of the ring where the wires connect. Are you going to flip yours over and have the connector prongs go up through the top reflector pan? Thanks!  :chef:

It's one of these, I've bent the heating element, unfortunately it won't fit how I want, and I don't intend to cut in my stainless steel dome so. . .


I've tried to use a whole central reflector, the idea was less air volume to heat, baking time shorter, I was wrong.






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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2013, 05:12:53 PM »
Hi,

Pies of the day

Caputo Pizzeria
65% hydration
2.8% salt
8% homemade sourdough

bulk: 11 hours @ 64F balls: 15~21 hours @ 64F.
ball weight 195g  Bake times were all ~ 90 seconds.

Very good taste, light and creamy the dough melt in your mouth.


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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2013, 05:21:56 PM »
Hi Sub,
Your pizzas look fantastic, I wish I could eat one your pizzas right now ;)

I live in Germany and was thinking about buying a Bestron DL9070 myself. There's a shop that here sells them pre-modded with a PC fan to cool the thermostat but it seems that the oven will still not create much heat on the top?! The modification is simple enough for me to make my own I'm just not sure whether the fan should blow or suck and whether there's a better mod by hacking up the actual thermostat. Can you elaborate?

In general: Can you outline the modifications you did and where you acquired the parts and how to do the mods? For the time being I'm mostly interested in the thermostat modification you must have made and where you got the second heating element for the top. Also the mod you did to be able to turn the pizza looks interesting.

Alternatively: Would you be interested in building a pre-modded pizzamaker I could buy? If you prefer, you can send me an email via the forum function.
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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2013, 05:59:42 AM »
Hi StoneCut,

Thanks

I don't recommend you to buy a Bestron 9070, it's a less powerfull model (1100W) and there is less space between the heating element and the stone.

Look for a new Delizia model instead, the round heating element are back but ask the vendor to be sure to have a new model (on Amazon.de or on Ebay )

The parts came from another oven, look on ebay.de it's the best place to buy them for few bucks.

I've removed the thermostat and for the second heating element you can look at
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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2013, 01:54:03 PM »
Thanks for the info, Sub. i appreciate it. It'll take me a while to understand the gibberish that Google Translator spits out when I check those links, though, since my Italian is basically non-existant.

I also found that the old G3Ferrari (Napoli) model is still available from Amazon under the brand 'Optima':
http://www.amazon.de/Optima-Pizza-Express-Napoli-Ferrari/dp/B00BSX0JYU

I've read some reviews that the build quality for the Delizia (made in China as opposed to Italy for the Napoli) is really bad. Which model should I ultimately get?

Also - the second heat coil in the top: the way I understand it, both must be rated as 110V to ultimately be powered by 220V, is that correct?

As for taking out the thermostat, it looks like it's basically hot-wired, correct?!

I couldn't find any used Pizzamakers (apart from the one you linked to) at all, no matter what brand and whether broken or not, unfortunately. i would just buy a used one instead and try to fix if I could find one :/

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I was able to find an original (?) but used red G3Ferrari Pizza Express Napoli (not Delizia). It has two knobs on the top of the oven - is this the original "good" model? I can buy it cheap but must drive a long way for it. Can you please outline the minimum mods I should do (I believe you called it M1) and what type of second heating element I would need for this oven (110 or 220V)?

Also, the pizza stone is very dirty on the used one. Can I just flip it over since I don't know what the previous owner did with it?
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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2013, 05:01:07 PM »
I also found that the old G3Ferrari (Napoli) model is still available from Amazon under the brand 'Optima':
http://www.amazon.de/Optima-Pizza-Express-Napoli-Ferrari/dp/B00BSX0JYU

Yeah but the heating element is not round  :-\ and they added a 230C ceramic thermostat on top of the dome -> Napoli torna con Optima
I've read some reviews that the build quality for the Delizia (made in China as opposed to Italy for the Napoli) is really bad. Which model should I ultimately get?

The Napoli made in Italy with stainless steel dome if you can find it, it's very solid unlike the delizia, bestron and other clones from China.


Also - the second heat coil in the top: the way I understand it, both must be rated as 110V to ultimately be powered by 220V, is that correct?

yes  (top 110v + 110v) + (220v bottom)   or you can do:    (top 220v + 220v) + (220v bottom)

I was able to find an original (?) but used red G3Ferrari Pizza Express Napoli (not Delizia). It has two knobs on the top of the oven - is this the original "good" model? I can buy it cheap but must drive a long way for it.

without a picture I can tell you, look here
normally only the napoly(and the Divina) made in italy with stainless steel has the 220v heating element, all the models from China are in 110V.


Can you please outline the minimum mods I should do (I believe you called it M1) and what type of second heating element I would need for this oven (110 or 220V)?

You can read this with your translator.

Also, the pizza stone is very dirty on the used one. Can I just flip it over since I don't know what the previous owner did with it?

You can easily clean the stone with pyrolysis, or let the oven run 30 min with the thermostat mod, two or three cycles.
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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2013, 05:27:17 PM »
Wow, so much good Info! Thank you!

Anyway, from the pictures I have it is hard to tell which model it is (see attachments). I did notice that heating element is not round, though :/

As Pyrolysis - how does that actually work? The results in your pictures are great!

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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2013, 06:34:24 PM »
As Pyrolysis - how does that actually work? The results in your pictures are great!

At 500 the fat are burnt and the stone clean by itself, you plug the oven and let it preheat for 30 minutes and then turn it off  or the plastic will melt and the security thermal fuse shut the oven off.
If the oven is very dirty it's better to do it outside, there is a lot of bad smelling smoke and maybe some flames.

I was able to find an original (?) but used red G3Ferrari Pizza Express Napoli (not Delizia). It has two knobs on the top of the oven - is this the original "good" model? I can buy it cheap but must drive a long way for it. Can you please outline the minimum mods I should do (I believe you called it M1) and what type of second heating element I would need for this oven (110 or 220V)?

It's a good one made in italy:  Art. 101/ML Pizza Express ''Napoli'' 1XP20200 the second knob is a timer.

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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2013, 06:46:01 PM »
I'm glad I bought it, then (for 10!!). Thank you for your patience and information. Too bad about the heating element (resistenza), though. I'll have to see what I can do about it. Most 'resistenza ricambi' I found so far were also the omega shape, though. I guess it's better than nothing. Next step would be to find out how to fit a second heating element but I'll try it as-is first.

Also thanks for clarifying the cleaning process. I will perform the thermostat mod (find the 'off' position, turn counter-clockwise under the first screw about 1/4 turn - correct?) and then do the cleaning procedure on the balcony. Our neighbours will love me ;)

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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2013, 02:20:26 AM »
For 10! it's a bargain, don't complain  :P

You can  put a second "pac-man"  heating element like Vespa72 ( spare heating element around 15 at viafarina.nl but it's not a good alternative in my opinion)

The is also straight heating element rods who can be bent to the shape you like and hardens when first fired -> Universal Bendable Heating Elements
Maybe you will find them cheaper in Germany, I'll go for 1500-1600W.

For the thermostat, you want to hear the "click" sound when the oven start to heat the closest to 0, not near 1.
 

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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2013, 07:14:49 AM »
You can  put a second "pac-man"  heating element like Vespa72 ( spare heating element around 15 at viafarina.nl but it's not a good alternative in my opinion)
Hhhm, good alternative if I can't come up with a better solution.

The is also straight heating element rods who can be bent to the shape you like and hardens when first fired -> Universal Bendable Heating Elements
Maybe you will find them cheaper in Germany, I'll go for 1500-1600W.
You mean 1500W in total (including both heating elements already in the oven or an extra 1500W element? That seems a lot if the extra element has more power than the entire oven ?!

For the thermostat, you want to hear the "click" sound when the oven start to heat the closest to 0, not near 1.
Just to clarify the procedure: Turn on the oven and let it heat up just a little, then turn back the knob until the preheating turns off. Mark the spot on the device. Pull the plug, do the mod by turning the adjust screw 1/4 turn counter-clockwise, plug back in again and verify that the thermostat now turns off at the new position which should be closer to Zero. Is that correct?

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« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2013, 07:40:36 AM »
You mean 1500W in total (including both heating elements already in the oven or an extra 1500W element? That seems a lot if the extra element has more power than the entire oven ?!

No I mean 1500-1600W in total for the top heating element, 600w in the bottom,  2100-2200W total power.
1200W on top is not powerfull enough in my opinion if you want to cook a real neapolitan pie .
You'll have to redo completely the wiring with a 2.5mm high heat resistant wire

Just to clarify the procedure: Turn on the oven and let it heat up just a little, then turn back the knob until the preheating turns off. Mark the spot on the device. Pull the plug, do the mod by turning the adjust screw 1/4 turn counter-clockwise, plug back in again and verify that the thermostat now turns off at the new position which should be closer to Zero. Is that correct?

No,
Put the thermostat on 0
plug the oven
turn the knob of the thermostat slowly from 0 to 1 in a quiet room, you should hear a click when the light of the oven turn ON
put your screwdriver in the knob and then turn a little
You want to hear the "clic" sound (oven GOES ON)  near 0 not 1.
the thermostat is just an ON / OFF switch

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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2013, 05:20:15 PM »
Thanks for the clarifications, Sub. I'll try the M1 mod first but will have to come up with some other deflector solution because of the shape of the heating elements. I'm also still looking around for a second pizza maker, possibly for parts.


 

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