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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2012, 04:29:33 PM »

Scott

I feel your pain !!!!!

Just as VPN gives some credibility to restaurants advertising neo style, the same can be done for the NY slice style (don't forget to send some royalty $ this way).

So I propose you establish the components that go into making your dream slice.  For the dough include all ingredients, amounts, workflow, and bake time and temp.  For the toppings list items, weights, and if necessary the source or brand of same.  Specify the type of oven-I'm guessing a deck oven.  Once you are satisfied with the product, I'm sure the members with deck ovens will participate and see if the end product is what they remember.  Problem here is that you remember pies from the 70's.  To me by the 70's it was hard to find a good NY slice.  Norma remembers slices from the mid 90's.

We can't change the bogus "Real NY Pizza" as seen scattered around the country overnight but we can take baby steps with the certification.  Even if restaurants do not buy into the certification they can at least know what goes into an authentic NY slice.

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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2012, 04:47:50 PM »
Very interesting Bob. So after the recipe is given the nod by the deck oven owners....what would you propose the next step be? Thanks.
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2012, 04:58:08 PM »
Actually, Bobino look up two posts and send the check to me.

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« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2012, 05:11:33 PM »
Actually, Bobino look up two posts and send the check to me.
:-D  Wow!  "Everbodys gett'in into the act..."   Sheesh!!   :-D
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2012, 05:24:32 PM »
I have actually thought about it for a while, simply because of the number of joints in the US that call themselves "New York Style".  I do not care for certifications in most things though, so I would never do it.
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« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2012, 05:34:25 PM »
I have actually thought about it for a while, simply because of the number of joints in the US that call themselves "New York Style".  I do not care for certifications in most things though, so I would never do it.
Oh yes, no one here could ever argue that you are not a thinking man.  ;)  Tom, beside your penchant for keeping things unburdened by certification..this would also be a monumental task in terms of administering,no?
What sort of power does a certification  bring to the table....I feel it may be too late for the real deal NYP. Most people are already too far tainted/jaded to really give a care.
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2012, 05:37:36 PM »
Not really, because A) 98% would not be able to or would not agree to meet the requirements B) There is no enforcment provision that would hold up.

It would, however, offer the same value as a VPN certification.

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« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2012, 05:45:58 PM »
Sorry, I edited while you were posting...thanks, I think I'm up to speed now....
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #88 on: July 31, 2012, 05:51:46 PM »
Tom

Sorry, I did not see your post.  

I guess great minds think alike.

Bob

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« Reply #89 on: July 31, 2012, 06:04:49 PM »
Even though we've gotten completely off-topic here, I think this has become a fantastic thread, and I keep hoping to see new posts every time I return to the New York section. Good job, everyone, and keep it up.

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« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2012, 06:25:25 PM »
Tom

Sorry, I did not see your post.  

I guess great minds think alike.

Bob
OK Bob, before you break your arm off patting yourself on the back.....Ha!!  >:D  Jus kidd'in my friend....obviously this cert. dealio ain't got no legs so what's next? Got anything else rat'lin around there in your more than capable think tank...thanks.  ;)
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #91 on: July 31, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »
Count me in as well.  Seems to me our friend Bubba had a lot to say from firsthand experience about how things used to be done in NY pizzerias and how they've changed in response to the pressures of economics and tighter regulation of the food-service industry.  I'll post a link to his thread later.  Scott, the truth is New York Style pizza does need preservation and guardianship.  Maybe you've been called by Gennaro Lombardi...  :angel:

Edit -- Here's the link: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,19253.0.html
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« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2012, 06:45:52 PM »
GB, now that's what I'm talk'in bout....props for bring Bubba into the discussion!  Attaboy!!   btw, where is the fearless leader...prolly in a lock with his thinking cap, I hope.  ;)
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« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2012, 07:38:55 PM »
O.K., just for the hell of it, I made 2 pies this evening.  Both 60 percent hydration, GM Full Strength bromated flour, 2 percent salt, enough yeast to double the dough in 6 hours.  Then a 30 minute autolyse, 30 seconds in the food processor and a 3 minute hand knead.  The dough, my first with this flour, opened beautifully, one of the best handling doughs I've experienced.  A bit of leftover sauce made from Stanislaus Full Red tomatoes, a generous sprinkling of parm, and chunks of Poly O whole milk mozz finished the pie. 

The first pie I formed in the NY style.  Flat, thin, air pressed out, and thin, tiny, dense cornicione.  The second I handled more gently, leaving a generous, puffy rim.  Both were baked about 6 minutes, on a stone at around 600 degrees.

Both were tasty, but the consensus of my guests was that the puffy rimmed pizza was better.  I agreed.  The puffy cornicione was not moist or bready; there was just more of it to crunch and chew on,  more delightful contrast between the cornicione and the rest of the pie.

Now I'm just a hack, and I am sure that my pizza, tasted along side an almost rimless New Haven pie from Sally's, would pale in comparison.  But my pizza did the trick tonight, and the big puff won out.   

I think the so-called artisanal pizza, when done well, is a welcome addition to the pizza universe.  But we must have distinctions, and standards, and we don't get those them by calling a thing that which it is not.  I explained to my guests what I was doing, and the styles I was attempting to mimic.  Now they have a bit of knowledge.  They will be better able to judge the pizza that they eat outside my kitchen.  The collective consciousness just got a tad smarter about pizza.  It's sometimes the best we can do, but it's something.             

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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #94 on: July 31, 2012, 07:47:41 PM »
In support of Peter Reinhart,t I will say thank you. After trying one of his recipes, and making a few mods, I have made a pizza dough my wife says is the best. We're talking 43 years here folks. When that came out, I was in pizza heaven. I could care less about any of the right and wrong ways. Peace at last.
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« Reply #95 on: July 31, 2012, 07:49:43 PM »
It takes a village...
Nice experiment Pappy...I have a feeling you are much more than a hack. Thank you sir.
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« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2012, 07:56:18 PM »
In support of Peter Reinhart,t I will say thank you. After trying one of his recipes, and making a few mods, I have made a pizza dough my wife says is the best. We're talking 43 years here folks. When that came out, I was in pizza heaven. I could care less about any of the right and wrong ways. Peace at last.
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43 yrs. ??  Gee-whiz, I'm really curious where you learned  "and making a few mods" at.......thanks!
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #97 on: July 31, 2012, 08:24:12 PM »
Wow this project sounds like it's really kicking off. I'm kinda excited to see where it goes. You hear so much about Neapolitan pizza organisations etc. but NY style is, if anything, more iconic than Naples pizza (not saying I don't like that also).

Speaking of...
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but I promise you, you'll have video from me soon. And it will be my entire process in tremendous detail- soup to nuts

http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,11684.msg108079.html#msg108079

Scott, did you ever get that video finished? cause apart from all the people here who I know would love to see it - it would def. have the potential to cross over to a LARGE audience in the same way that guy from Una Pizza Napolitana did or even on the Pizzaquest website does
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #98 on: July 31, 2012, 08:36:13 PM »
Wow this project sounds like it's really kicking off. I'm kinda excited to see where it goes. You hear so much about Neapolitan pizza organisations etc. but NY style is, if anything, more iconic than Naples pizza (not saying I don't like that also).

Speaking of... http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,11684.msg108079.html#msg108079

Scott, did you ever get that video finished? cause apart from all the people here who I know would love to see it - it would def. have the potential to cross over to a LARGE audience in the same way that guy from Una Pizza Napolitana did or even on the Pizzaquest website does
Hey enter,
Your enthusiasm is really great and appreciated...please contribute as many more ideas you may have!
Don't think Scott has posted his vid yet but I'm sure it is forth coming ...sooner than later knowing Scott...he contributes an amazing amount here in trying to help people...
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Re: SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2012, 09:21:51 PM »
Thank you, Chicago Bob.