SeriousEats.com NY Style Dough and Yeast Amount.....

[franko9752]

Been watching this thread and love it. I love NY style too, it is my starting point. Just like my favorite car is a 69 mustang Mk I, but cars are not made that way no more, they evovoled with modern technology as i think pizza is evolving. Some day i think true NY style will be in a museum as the Model T car is. Progress always uses the past mixed with the present and moves on from there. I call my pies NY style for now but as my skills and experience grows then i think they will be called Frankos style in the future as i settle into a confident and tested and personalized recipe and technique that works for me and my local customers.

[Glutenboy]

As soon as this thread became about doing something instead of name calling, it died.  Hmm...

Edit:  And I took a look over at the Reinhart bulletin board.  Looks like somebody just did a copy/paste of Scott's post without even editing out the URL stuff.  Not very respectful of the sanctity of this board and kind of a cowardly way to take an anonymous slap at Scott.  Thumbs down.

[Chicago Bob]

As soon as this thread became about doing something instead of name calling, it died.  Hmm...

Edit:  And I took a look over at the Reinhart bulletin board.  Looks like somebody just did a copy/paste of Scott's post without even editing out the URL stuff.  Not very respectful of the sanctity of this board and kind of a cowardly way to take an anonymous slap at Scott.  Thumbs down.

Yes...ghost town indeed.
And I hope that troll gets a nice 'lil chip of stone in his next slice (if it even eats pizza)...

[Pizzalogist]

I suspect enter8 is alluding to the fact that Tony went to Naples, competed in a big-time Neapolitan competition (culinary, not acrobatic), and won.

And you are alluding to the World Pizza Cup that Tony won in 2007? 

Speaking of being a "brilliant marketer", did you know that Tony was the "first-non-Italian" to win it?  And that is was, in fact, the 1st Annual World Pizza Cup?  Or that it was organized by his non-Italian business partner?  And that Googling "world pizza cup" will turn up page after page of what appear to be PR pieces that talk about Tony and his team, and not much else?

[AimlessRyan]

And you are alluding to the World Pizza Cup that Tony won in 2007? 

Speaking of being a "brilliant marketer", did you know that Tony was the "first-non-Italian" to win it?  And that is was, in fact, the 1st Annual World Pizza Cup?  Or that it was organized by his non-Italian business partner?  And that Googling "world pizza cup" will turn up page after page of what appear to be PR pieces that talk about Tony and his team, and not much else?

I don't know what it was called, but it was in 2007, so I assume we're talking about the same thing.

Some valid points, I suppose. I was not aware of these things, but even if they are true, they don't make me think any less of Tony. You seem pretty angry about it.

[Pizzalogist]

No, I'm not angry about it.  What do I care?  I would eat his pizza without or without the award.  But it's brilliant marketing, as you say.  Yeah, it bothers me a bit that reporters and other media people parrot whatever the PR says without bothering to learn anything about the matter at hand - but that is a much broader thing than this particular instance.  It matters much more when the subject is something other than pizza championships. 

If the World Pizza Cup was created solely to give Tony and his teammates awards, then I think it's pretty funny.  And I don't know that that would make that pizza competition much less valuable than any other pizza competition.

[AimlessRyan]

If the World Pizza Cup was created solely to give Tony and his teammates awards, then I think it's pretty funny.  And I don't know that that would make that pizza competition much less valuable than any other pizza competition.

Having competed in a couple non-culinary competitions, I can vouch for that. For the largest dough stretch competition in 2004, the dough they gave us to stretch was just about rock hard. It wasn't pizza dough, and it effectively took skill out of the equation. In 2005 the dough was even harder. After that, I lost interest in competing. But if the dough just would have resembled real pizza dough, there's a good chance I would have won at least one of those competitions. And winning would have generated some media attention, which may have helped me attract funding to open a pizzeria.

The competition meant nothing, yet it meant everything.

But a perfect example of what you're saying is what happened in the "acrobatic" competition in 2004, after Tony and his crew formed WPC (instead of staying aligned with the organizers of this event). For the first time ever, somehow Tony didn't win. After the results were announced, Tony went a little apesh!t, accusing the organizers of rigging the outcome. It happened right in front of me, and I wasn't impressed with his behavior. But once I finally saw video of the competition (in Pizza! The Movie), it was hard not to agree with him. (I was too busy taking pictures to pay attention while it was happening.)

So yeah, many of these competitions only mean anything if you've convinced yourself they should mean something. But they can also help certain individuals live their dreams while shattering the dreams of others.

[Chicago Bob]

So yeah, many of these competitions only mean anything if you've convinced yourself they should mean something. But they can also help certain individuals live their dreams while shattering the dreams of others.

Competitors compete because it means something.....that is the nature of competition, A "rigged "
competition is a bummer.....nothing humorous in that....

[rcbaughn]

Rigged competitions...... Sounds like my senior year all stars baseball tournament.... LOL. God that was a long time ago. Getting old.