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Offline Aimless Ryan

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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2012, 11:44:32 AM »
Did you know that PennMac sells Ezzo that they repackage in 1-pound vacuum-sealed bags?

Yeah. Actually I had been meaning to take a trip there, originally to get some Grande mozzarella, some Ezzo pepperoni, some Stanislaus product(s), and All Trumps flour. But I've since found a Stanislaus product that I really like at a local Italian market, as well as loaves of Polly-O mozzarella (which I've concluded is the only cheese other than Grande that I actually like). Also, I went ahead and bought a bag of All Trumps at RDP, so I won't need any of that for at least a year.

GiAntonio is the specific brand I didn't name in my earlier post. It's the brand I found while dumpster diving. Even though it's not top shelf (I assume), I like it a lot because it's not overpowering.

I'm sick of excessively greasy pepperoni, too. That's one of the things I don't like about the Bridgford stick. But compared to everything else I can easily get locally, Bridgford is awesome, so I'm willing to overlook that and deal with it.

I probably could find a shop around here that would sell me the kind of stuff I'd like to use, but I guess I've dealt with enough pizzeria owners (largely through attempted consultancy) to know that they typically do everything the hardest way and least friendly way possible. If I had a pizzeria, I'd gladly sell a few pounds of cheese or pepperoni to someone like myself, but the typical pizzeria owner feels some kind of need to be an obstacle to everyone, including their own business. That's a big reason why we don't see many of them on these boards. (It's not because they know more than us; it's because they know less than us but think they know everything.)
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2012, 11:55:19 AM »
Thanks again to everyone for your responses and suggestions!

I was able to try the Vermont pepperoni while I was in New England, and it's very, very good! I was only able to find a small sample size (a ~1 oz stick). John, I only read your post about it being available at Roche Bros after I had already returned home...and I had passed right through Natick on the way!

I also took the advice on here and tried Bridgford pepperoni, and I quite like it! I bought both the presliced and the stick, but so far, I've only tried the presliced. Good to know the stick is significantly different, but I'm quite happy with the presliced. I like the flavor much more than the other national brands I have access to, as well as the texture and the way it cooks. I keep forgetting that Cook's Illustrated and I have very different tastes, and that I should just ignore what their taste tests say, really.


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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2012, 11:57:54 AM »
I can get ezzo from RDP food distributors here in columbus, but often find that it's too much for my needs. If we ohioans wanted to band together, we could get some ezzo. I don't know if they have the supreme special, but I got a 38mm pep that without the casings that was pretty good for pre-sliced pepperoni. It only comes in 25 lb cases, and is about $100, which I'm told works out to about a penny a slice. Lemme know if this is something anyone is interested in and we can work it out.

That's where I bought a case once. I'm almost certainly game for splitting a case with you, as long as we're both after the same product; especially since I think we both tend to go through a lot more product than even most of the rabid pizza nuts on these boards.

One prospective obstacle: I'm pretty much only interested in the GiAntonio, and I suspect you're looking for the higher-end stuff. I wouldn't want either of us to settle for something we don't really want. So if you are after GiAntonio, let me know. And if you're after something else, let me know what it is so I can try to figure out if it's something I might want.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2012, 12:22:42 PM »
I can get ezzo from RDP food distributors here in columbus, but often find that it's too much for my needs. If we ohioans wanted to band together, we could get some ezzo. I don't know if they have the supreme special, but I got a 38mm pep that without the casings that was pretty good for pre-sliced pepperoni. It only comes in 25 lb cases, and is about $100, which I'm told works out to about a penny a slice. Lemme know if this is something anyone is interested in and we can work it out.
I would want the 38mm with the collagen casing. It is the collagen casing that makes the slices cup up and crisp on the edges.

Boy times have changed. When I used to order Ezzo for the shop(s) that I worked for, I think that it was something like $39/box. This was almost 30 years ago. If it's $100/box then my friend that was getting it for me was giving me a good deal because he used to sell me 10lbs for $25. He said that it was his cost but it is possible that he was giving me a good deal because that's the kind of guy he is.

I'd be in on a group buy, but I don't think that it would be worth the effort unless there was significant savings. $100/box comes to $4/lb. PennMac sells it for $4.99/lb. It lasts for a while in the refrigerator but I imagine that vacuum sealed it lasts even longer. PennMac claims that they vacuum seal them as soon as they get their delivery. One disadvantage to the vacuum sealing is that the slices stick together more, which takes a little longer to deal them out, but that's not a big deal when your just making a few pies at home.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2012, 12:28:45 PM »
BTW, Ezzo has GiAntonio both with and without the collagen casing.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2012, 02:57:43 PM »
Boy times have changed. When I used to order Ezzo for the shop(s) that I worked for, I think that it was something like $39/box.

Nick and I are paying the little guy prices (closer to retail, but not retail) when we buy from RDP. If we were buying ten or twenty cases a week (like the shop you worked at), we'd be paying significantly less. Not $39 a case, of course, but probably at least ten percent lower than what they charge us. I think it's a very fair system, especially compared to Restaurant Depot's "We won't sell to you" policy. (Screw Restaurant Depot. When I have the busiest pizzeria in Columbus someday, guess who they're still not gonna sell to.)


I'd be in on a group buy, but I don't think that it would be worth the effort unless there was significant savings. $100/box comes to $4/lb. PennMac sells it for $4.99/lb.

Pittsburgh is a lot longer drive for Nick and I. (You're in Cleveland, right?) That gas money really drives up the cost. Alternatively, shipping drives up the cost.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2012, 03:59:26 PM »
Boy I sure wish I was within driving distance of Penn Mac...I had to quit them because of their "handling" fees. You'd think that Styrofoam cooler was made of gold....even on a dry goods order they sur-charge waaay too much.
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2012, 04:12:15 PM »
Boy I sure wish I was within driving distance of Penn Mac...I had to quit them because of their "handling" fees. You'd think that Styrofoam cooler was made of gold....even on a dry goods order they sur-charge waaay too much.

I think I've read a similar post from you somewhere (a cheese thread maybe). That's what made me figure I'd be better off just driving, especially considering how many different things I was planning to buy, which would drive the shipping cost way up. Another factor is that it's just nice to take a little trip now and then. (You may have heard that I like to travel.)
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2012, 05:12:28 PM »
Oh yes, when at their web site one can try to play with the numbers and sometimes come up with an order that's not too gouging but then you have to be putting some of your must haves back up on the shelf .Bottom line is that you generally can count on adding about 30% to your total for S&H and that is cRaZy!!

I think everyone here knows you like to travel, Ryan. Your story is quite compelling.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2012, 09:04:30 PM »
My last pepperoni order from PennMac was for 6 pounds. The shipping was $12.60 via FedEx ground. I just checked on FedEx's website and the actual shipping cost for a 8lb package (6lb + 2lbs for box and freeze paks) from Pittsburgh to my house is $9.54. So they charged $3.06 for "handling." When you consider how much the Styrofoam-lined box and freeze paks would cost, I don't think that that is all that unreasonable.

At today's gas prices, it would cost me a lot more than $12.60 to drive to Pittsburgh and back. The total cost is still less than I would be paying for the little packets of pepperoni in the supermarkets and I'm getting a superior product IMO.

YMMV if you are farther from Pittsburgh, but that's because the actual shipping costs are higher, not because PennMac is charging you more. Shipping rates are high now because of the fuel surcharges. Those out west might as well forget about PennMac for perishables because they must me shipped via air.
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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2012, 09:59:33 PM »
Well.......you gett'in the Colonel Klink discount too Don, so don't make me go search'in for my receipts bro!!   :chef:
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2012, 11:06:17 PM »
Earlier today I asked my friend who owns a pizzeria if he could order me a case(10lbs) of Cara Donna spicy pepperoni. I like Cara Donnas website its the only major distributor that you can actually see full lists of everything they sell. Anyway I opted for the spicy pepperonis bc I've noticed all the best tasting pepperonis have a more spicy profile. Last time I really paid attention to the invoice price for pepperonis where I work they were around $2.79 lb Im pretty sure they're still about that price so It'll probably be around $30 for 10lb not bad. But 10lbs is ALOT of pepperoni. I'll let everyone know how they are. Should have them weds morning.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2012, 12:12:34 AM »
Aimlessrayan, think about it.  Why should they sell to you at the best price when you are buying consumer quantities.  They are not Walmart, they are a wholesale company selling to wholesale buyers.  You want wholesale prices buy at wholesale quantities.

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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2012, 12:18:43 AM »
 :-D :-D

I shop the Walmart way.....
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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2012, 12:53:45 AM »
Aimlessrayan, think about it.  Why should they sell to you at the best price when you are buying consumer quantities.  They are not Walmart, they are a wholesale company selling to wholesale buyers.  You want wholesale prices buy at wholesale quantities.

Are you talking about RDP or Restaurant Depot? Because I don't think either of them should sell to me at wholesale prices unless I'm buying wholesale. But RDP actually sells to me, and they don't try to make me feel like I'm inconveniencing them. They don't try to act like I should feel privileged to buy from them. They don't make a big deal out of it. They give me no BS.

I never said anything that suggests I think anyone should sell to me at the best price, so I don't know what your point is.
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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2012, 01:03:52 AM »
Oh boy....lets not sweat the small stuff.....
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2012, 09:17:55 PM »
Did I have a point?  I don't remember.  S! Ryan, my apologies.


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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2012, 11:41:19 PM »
If you live in Houston, Vermont Smoked Pepperoni is back in stock at Central Market  ;D I restocked my pantry today!

I have to give them some customer service credit. I sent one email, and they got the job done!
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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2012, 11:03:14 AM »
Did I have a point?  I don't remember.  S! Ryan, my apologies.

I don't know. No biggie. We cool.
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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2012, 12:36:44 PM »
If you live in Houston, Vermont Smoked Pepperoni is back in stock at Central Market  ;D I restocked my pantry today!

I have to give them some customer service credit. I sent one email, and they got the job done!
How much do they sell that for Craig? Also, do you know if they carry the brands of aleppo pepper and calabrian chilies that you use? Thanks...my sister lives in Houston and I'm thinking care package time.  ;)
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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2012, 03:30:15 PM »
How much do they sell that for Craig? Also, do you know if they carry the brands of aleppo pepper and calabrian chilies that you use? Thanks...my sister lives in Houston and I'm thinking care package time.  ;)

They were $7 and some change (7oz) I think. They don't stock Calabrian chilies, and I have not looked for Aleppo, but I would be surprised if they did.
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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2012, 03:37:05 PM »
10-fo...thanks.  Boy, they ain't shy in Vermont....but from what you an the rest here say about this stuff I have just gotta try it.
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Re: Pepperoni Frustration
« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2012, 03:44:40 PM »
Boy, they ain't shy in Vermont

No, but I don't know if it is really all that out of line. The Molinari pepperoni I bought when they were out of Vermont was maybe $1.50 or so less, but it wasn't half the pepperoni in quality or flavor. You can't compare the Vermont to things like Hormel, Boar's head, etc. They are very different products.

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« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2012, 03:54:24 PM »
No, but I don't know if it is really all that out of line. The Molinari pepperoni I bought when they were out of Vermont was maybe $1.50 or so less, but it wasn't half the pepperoni in quality or flavor. You can't compare the Vermont to things like Hormel, Boar's head, etc. They are very different products.

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« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2012, 03:56:20 PM »
Craig,

Maybe you've mentioned this before but do you know who makes the Boar's Head pepperoni for Boar's Head? I have noticed that their pepperoni seems to favor more paprika than other brands.

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