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machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« on: Yesterday at 04:23:39 PM »
Since I am going to have a WFO, or facsimile thereof, I am going to work on my Neapolitan dough making skills. From what I have been reading here, over working the dough is not too good. So I am wondering if when making dough for 1 or 2 pies is it advisable to use a stand mixer, or is it best to do by hand?
 
I started my pizza dough making by hand, then bought a Bosch compact mixer, and have gone back and forth. The action of the dough hook on the Bosch doesn't seem to be optimal for a Neapolitan dough. What do I know ??? .
I have found that one of the hardest things about learning this whole process is that I have no one to stand beside me and teach.
But that is a whole different thread. :o
 
So what do you more experienced and accomplished Napoletana pizza makers think?
 
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 04:59:50 PM »
With small batches I've gotten basically identical results by hand/Danish dough wisk and my KitchenAid mixer. 
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:27:32 PM »
Three dough balls or less = hand mixing

I've become quite proficient at mixing a single dough ball. (Not that it's that difficult). A bowl and spatula. Done.

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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:25:17 PM »
You're just starting out with np? - Make a standard 6-8 ball batch and experiment.

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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 07:01:46 PM »
You're just starting out with np? - Make a standard 6-8 ball batch and experiment.

I have never had a WFO before. I have used NP dough recipes and cooked in my 2 Stone, but never in earnest. There are only 2 in my family and I eat what I bake.
Thanks for the reply.
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 07:03:42 PM »
I don't have a mixer, so I don't have a choice!   :(

Side story...This is no BS...I made NP pizzas at the racetrack potluck this past weekend.
Not wanting to run out, I made a 42-ball recipe (250g each), by hand.
That thing was just over 23lbs!!

I kneaded for 20 mins using both arms, basically boxing with the dough.
It's a great workout and I think it helps build your experience / feel for dough.

Good luck!!
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:22:49 PM »
I don't have a mixer, so I don't have a choice!   :(

Side story...This is no BS...I made NP pizzas at the racetrack potluck this past weekend.
Not wanting to run out, I made a 42-ball recipe (250g each), by hand.
That thing was just over 23lbs!!

I kneaded for 20 mins using both arms, basically boxing with the dough.
It's a great workout and I think it helps build your experience / feel for dough.

Good luck!!

Great story! I assume you fed all 42 pies to the folks?
I do enjoy using my hands and the feel of the dough, alot!
I got the mixer to see if the gluten developement would improve. Compared to the pix of the fork mixer blade, I think that my dough hook, even at low speed would tend to "beat up the dough". Not nice for NP dough, I gather.
I think unless otherwise advised, I may let the mixer rest a bit.
Thanks.

Mark

P.S. I grew up going to Huntington Beach, in the 60s and early 70s. Back when the old town was still there.
Nice place to grow up!
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:36:13 PM »
Hi Mark,

There was so much food that I ended up throwing away 4 dough balls at the end of the night.
With no more orders, I started freestyling and just started putting stuff out on the table, like rotolini, so people could have convenient leftovers.
That's what I was thinking in your case...make a 6 ball batch and then put leftover toppings in rotolini...they don't take up much space and they'll be great mid-week when you want those flavors again without the hassle.

Wow - I couldn't imagine HB back in the day.  Main street is built out these days.  It's really nice, but I'm sure it lost that geniune surf town feel...

Thanks!
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:32:22 AM »
I have the bosh compact 4405.
It actually is the perfect machine for small batches of dough. I would use it.

It was one of the best investments in kitchen stuff that I've ever done.* If you have 56 (78USD) and don't know what to buy, this machine is it! Even if you already have a larger one.
And for 11 bucks more you'll get a second mixing bowl.

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* Right after the crappy loaf pan I bought to bake a cake together with that girl in the student residence that now happens to be is my wife ;)

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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #9 on: Today at 11:31:33 AM »
I have the bosh compact 4405.
It actually is the perfect machine for small batches of dough. I would use it.

It was one of the best investments in kitchen stuff that I've ever done.* If you have 56€ (78USD) and don't know what to buy, this machine is it! Even if you already have a larger one.
And for 11 bucks more you'll get a second mixing bowl.

Adrian

* Right after the crappy loaf pan I bought to bake a cake together with that girl in the student residence that now happens to be is my wife ;)

Adrian, I too like my Bosch Compact. My question is specifically regarding the handling of the dough mixture fore small batches of dough for NP pies.
I will try both ways and see which turns out better, I guess.
Thanks.

Mark
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Re: machine or hand for 1 pizza dough?
« Reply #10 on: Today at 08:05:56 PM »
I'd use the machine!
Maybe you have to assist a bit with a dough scraper. But it's difinitely easier than doing it by hand.