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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #240 on: January 12, 2013, 05:11:35 PM »
If the Dough Doctor says that anything under 5% dry milk addition will not make any difference in the dough why do I see small amounts being used on many forum recipes?
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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #241 on: January 13, 2013, 06:43:57 PM »
100% improvement tonight. Pete - your bakers %s for the dough calculator really saved the day.

Crust thickness was right on and taste and texture were right on too.

Thanks guys. the kiddies were happy.

The reason the cheese looks funny on the pepperoni pie is because I ran out of cheese and had to cut up some of the kids cheese stick to finish it off.  :-[
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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #242 on: January 13, 2013, 07:45:42 PM »
Looks great Steve. Must be whole milk "cheese stick". Shred and blend both types together and I'll bet you'd be pretty close to PH cheese... ;)
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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #243 on: January 13, 2013, 07:56:43 PM »
Ha - I need to get off my butt and get back up to the restaurant supply house for a big bag of decent cheese.

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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #244 on: January 14, 2013, 07:47:12 AM »
If the Dough Doctor says that anything under 5% dry milk addition will not make any difference in the dough why do I see small amounts being used on many forum recipes?


Bob,

That is a very good question.

According to what Tom has said, there is some dough strengthening effect even when using below 5% dry milk. That might help if the dough is to be run through a sheeter or roller of some sort but I tend not to think that that is why some pizza operators use dry milk. I think that a lot of pizza operators just decided to add some milk to their dough, simply because they had it or maybe to satisfy their curiosity. They perhaps liked the results, or perceived such, and just decided to continue to use it and the recipe eventually became a family or legendary recipe to be handed down from generation to generation and guarded like it was Fort Knox. It might have also been used as a differentiating factor. For example, for years, Donatos boasted about the health effects of the milk in their dough (and eggs as well). They no longer do that. At Vito & Nick's in the Chicago area, milk (fresh milk) is a hallmark ingredient for their dough for their famous Chicago thin-crust pizza. I don't think they would ever dare to leave the milk out of their dough. Their customers would be picketing the joint. I might add that V&N uses a roller for their skins so the milk (at around 12% of the flour weight by my calculation) may have a beneficial effect for that purpose.

In Pizza Hut's case, I do not believe that they ever used dry milk alone, or at least I could never find any evidence of it. As I noted at Reply 1 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,8791.msg76201/topicseen.html#msg76201, I believe that PH was using a dairy blend. The pdf link in Reply 1 is no longer active but you can see a typical PH dough formulation using the dairy blend for its pan dough at page 4 of the pdf document at http://www.espanol.pizzahut.com/menu/nutritioninfo/documents/ph_ingredients.pdf. That is an old document but represented what PH was doing before it went to frozen dough for most of its pizzas (in the U.S.). Later, it appears that they abandoned the dairy blend but continued to use whey, as can be seen in this 2008 pdf document: http://www.pizzahut.com/files/pdf/pizza%20hut%20ingredient%20statements%20september%202008.pdf. That document is after PH went to frozen dough. Pizza Hut has stopped publishing pdf documents for its ingredients so it is hard to say exactly what they are now using in their doughs. Since their current doughs are loaded with chemicals, that is perhaps no great loss.

If Steve (slybarman) would like to replicate the "old" and, arguably, "better" PH pan dough, without all the chemicals. he might consider using a dairy blend.  Dutch Valley uses to sell it but I could not find it among the products at its website this morning. But I found another source: http://www.roundeyesupply.com/Land-O-Lakes-Superheat-All-Dairy-Blend-p/de127782.htm. Or Steve can make his own dairy blend using the same ingredients. His kids will thank him for the added nutrition.

Peter

EDIT (4/20/13): For the Wayback Machine link to the above Pizza Hut pdf document, see http://web.archive.org/web/20100602083641/http://www.pizzahut.com/Files/PDF/PIZZA%20HUT%20INGREDIENT%20STATEMENTS%20September%202008.pdf
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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #245 on: January 14, 2013, 09:07:09 AM »
Thanks Peter.
I do use about 11% milk(liquid 2%)in my Chicago thins and around 5%(dry powdered) in cracker crusts. I "perceive" a difference and like using it in my doughs. Maybe Steve will try it and tell us what he thinks....
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Re: Re: Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #246 on: January 14, 2013, 09:40:05 AM »
Steve can make his own dairy blend using the same ingredients. His kids will than him for the added nutrition.

My kids eat their boogers. I think it fairly unlikely they will thank me over nutrition.  ;D

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Re: Re: Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #247 on: January 14, 2013, 10:05:50 AM »
My kids eat their boogers.
Steve,

That subject matter is more appropriately placed in the Off-Topics Food board ;D.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #248 on: January 14, 2013, 02:32:30 PM »
Steve,

That subject matter is more appropriately placed in the Off-Topics Food board ;D.

Peter

Quite right. Touché Peter.

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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #249 on: January 16, 2013, 04:55:44 AM »
If the Dough Doctor says that anything under 5% dry milk addition will not make any difference in the dough why do I see small amounts being used on many forum recipes?

Just because something was published in a book doesn't mean it it's better or gospel.

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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #250 on: January 16, 2013, 10:04:25 AM »
Just because something was published in a book doesn't mean it it's better or gospel.
What the  ???
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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #251 on: January 16, 2013, 04:04:51 PM »
What the what lol? You're saying everything your grandma or mom or whomever made when you were a kid came out of a book? That everything you make is prepared by someone else's standard? There is no one right way to do things is all I said. If someone likes more or less of something and it works for them that doesn't mean it's wrong.

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Re: Pizza Hut Pan Pizza
« Reply #252 on: January 16, 2013, 08:27:07 PM »
What the what lol? You're saying everything your grandma or mom or whomever made when you were a kid came out of a book? That everything you make is prepared by someone else's standard? There is no one right way to do things is all I said. If someone likes more or less of something and it works for them that doesn't mean it's wrong.
Actually, I was questioning what was written. And I didn't read it in a book, Peter linked to something said at PMQ by our very own Tom Lehmann "The Dough Doctor" http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,213.msg231564.html#msg231564

But it's all good Pizzamaster... ;)
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