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Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »
From PMQ and the Daily Beast about pasta, pizza and wheat.

http://www.pmq.com/news/news.php?id=16360   Read link in PMQ news to read the full story if interested.

Quoted from article.

“If humans want to keep eating some of its favorite dishes-including pizza and pasta-they'd better be ready to take aggressive action against global warming, scientists warn".

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 07:44:49 PM »
There are a couple big problems with that theory:

1) Wheat (and corn) crop yields increased steadily though the period of "global warming" (~1975-1997).
2) Global warming stopped 16 years ago.

That article starts with a whopper of a lie (claiming there is a link established between "global warming" and extreme weather - namely storm strength), and it goes down hill from there.
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 08:48:33 PM »
Craig,

Thanks for your thoughts about those articles.  You are more knowledgeable in areas like that than I am. 

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 09:01:06 PM »
"Global Warming!!" is another one of those enticing catch phrases....sorta like  "two for one" or "going out of business(for the last time,really)". There is always gonna be a Final Clearance folks !!!!!    8)
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 09:28:16 PM »
Once you discover in which part of the world wheat originated, Norma, you'd realize the article you linked to is complete and utter baloney...  LOL   ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat   ;D


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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 10:50:48 PM »
Once you discover in which part of the world wheat originated, Norma, you'd realize the article you linked to is complete and utter baloney...  LOL   ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat   ;D



Pete,

And to think I trusted was what on PMQ news.   :o :-D

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 11:17:38 PM »
I heard jus last week that they said New Yorkers were soon going to be BANNED!! from eatingy NY style pizzas.... :(

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2012, 03:47:27 AM »
wow it's a relief to know  that all those scientists are just wasting their time.   lol Patrick
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2012, 09:57:16 AM »
wow it's a relief to know  that all those scientists are just wasting their time.   lol Patrick

With billions in grants flowing in every year, they are wasting something ;) and so long as they keep coming up with scares like this, the cash will keep flowing. It doesn't take much imagination to understand why all those "scientists" are working so hard to make this stuff up...
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2012, 12:42:34 PM »
Pete,

And to think I trusted was what on PMQ news.   :o :-D

Norma

Don't feel bad.
You'd be surprised to learn just how much news is faux.

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 06:41:04 PM »
2) Global warming stopped 16 years ago.

The data points between 16 years ago and now are equal.  That doesn't necessarily mean global climate change stopped.  If you look at data back further, like 100 years, there are several instances where the temp went down, but the general trend is up.  Climatologists look at long term trends, not recent.

But I wouldn't be too worried about wheat.  Someone will engineer some variant that will grow in the desert if it will make a profit.

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM »
Where they hollering about GW back in the 30's?
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2012, 07:35:39 PM »
Where they hollering about GW back in the 30's?

Have you heard of the Dust Bowl?  :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2012, 07:39:51 PM »
Have you heard of the Dust Bowl?  :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

What does that have to do with my question....
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2012, 07:47:24 PM »
Seriously?  Did you read the link?
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2012, 09:32:19 PM »
The area in which I currently reside was at one point under a shallow sea for enough years to build up 3000 feet of limestone.  Now it isn't.  Climate changes.

Mankind is a powerful influence upon the world, but mankind is also the most adaptable of all the animals.  We are damaging the Earth, but the Earth does not care.  When the environment changes, we adapt.

The real question for me boils down to this:

The developed countries have reduced the amount of pollution to the point that we have hit diminishing returns.  If you have a real concern about the environment and "climate change" look to the second and third worlds to effect real change that will reduce "carbon footprints" at a relative low cost.

That does not work politically of course, nor does it increase fundraising among the guilt-filled "elite" of the 1st world countries, so it is not the accepted wisdom, although it is common sense.

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2012, 09:39:09 PM »
Mankind is a powerful influence upon the world, but mankind is also the most adaptable of all the animals.  We are damaging the Earth, but the Earth does not care.  When the environment changes, we adapt.

Damage is a relative thing.  As you mention, it's a matter of adapting (evolving) to accommodate or even benefit from change.  While man may be the most adaptable, the question is whether everything else, like our food sources, is adaptable.


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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »
The dinosaurs didn't think so.  C'est la vie.

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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2012, 09:43:31 PM »
 guilt-filled "elite" ...
Is that some sorta new oxymoron?
Cracks me up jus to say it.... ;D
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 12:23:13 AM »
The data points between 16 years ago and now are equal.  That doesn't necessarily mean global climate change stopped.  If you look at data back further, like 100 years, there are several instances where the temp went down, but the general trend is up.  Climatologists look at long term trends, not recent.

But I wouldn't be too worried about wheat.  Someone will engineer some variant that will grow in the desert if it will make a profit.

Yep, the general trend for the past 100 years is up and it's very steady. Case closed.  Man was not doing anything between 100 and 50 years ago that the alarmists can blame for warming back then - it's a recovery from the little ice age.

There are three groups of people heavily vested in the idea of global warming: 1) "scientists" who see an endless string of grants, 2) politicians who see an limitless source of power - if you can regulate CO2, you can regulate all aspects of life, and 3) third world countries who see cash from the first world for global warming related "damages."

Global warming is the biggest scam in the history of the world, IMHO.
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2012, 02:12:26 PM »
There are a couple big problems with that theory:

1) Wheat (and corn) crop yields increased steadily though the period of "global warming" (~1975-1997).
2) Global warming stopped 16 years ago.

*applause*

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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2012, 09:16:02 PM »
Yep, the general trend for the past 100 years is up and it's very steady. Case closed.  Man was not doing anything between 100 and 50 years ago that the alarmists can blame for warming back then - it's a recovery from the little ice age.

There are three groups of people heavily vested in the idea of global warming: 1) "scientists" who see an endless string of grants, 2) politicians who see an limitless source of power - if you can regulate CO2, you can regulate all aspects of life, and 3) third world countries who see cash from the first world for global warming related "damages."

Global warming is the biggest scam in the history of the world, IMHO.

Man wasn't doing anything 100 years ago?  Really?  There was a rather vibrant industrial complex and a growing population.

Scientists have work and funding whether or not global warming is real.  As long as there is a search for knowledge, scientists have jobs.  While there may be a few unscrupulous scientists, there certainly are more politicians, corporations, industries, industrialists, and pundits with a vested interest in rallying against global climate change, and standing to make (or preserve) a lot more wealth than any scientist pouring over voluminous and rather boring climate data day in and day out.

Science is purely science.  Opinions are just opinions.  I don't pretend to know the science behind it all, but I'll put my trust in the people with the education, knowledge, and dedication to collect and analyze the data.

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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 09:28:36 PM »
Here we go....
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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 10:41:07 PM »
In 1912, industrial pollution was 10,000 times worse than today.  Luckily, it was also 10,000 times smaller in scope than today.

Britain of the 1890s epitomizes the ignorance of resource depletion and pollution.  From that point forward to the present, the goal of government (and thus industry) has been to reduce both.  The 1st world, and to a limited extent the second have achieved an unprecedented level of production at the same time as they have reduced pollutants to the point where the cost/benefit analysis simply does not work for minimizing them further. 

All efforts should be put into improving efficiency and reducing pollution in the 3rd world, and this can only take place by bringing them more technology and education.

Carbon credits are just another bankster scam, and do nothing for the environment.  They were a scam when the Republicans started them and they are a scam now when the Democrats favor them.

Economics drives efficiency, and efficiency decreases pollution.  Create an economic incentive to reduce pollution, and pollution will be reduced. Trading allotments is not an incentive to efficiency, it is an incentive to traders.


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Re: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2012, 10:44:47 PM »
speculating, lying, scamming all for quick profit!!  Here's another one you all have probably heard of lately.....http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/milk-could-reach-8-gallon/nTc6D/

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