Author Topic: Scientists: Global Warming Threatens Wheat Crops (Read 1741 times)

norma427 · « **on:** December 19, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »

From PMQ and the Daily Beast about pasta, pizza and wheat.

http://www.pmq.com/news/news.php?id=16360 Read link in PMQ news to read the full story if interested.

Quoted from article.

“If humans want to keep eating some of its favorite dishes-including pizza and pasta-they'd better be ready to take aggressive action against global warming, scientists warn".

Norma

TXCraig1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2012, 07:44:49 PM »

There are a couple big problems with that theory:

1) Wheat (and corn) crop yields increased steadily though the period of "global warming" (~1975-1997).
2) Global warming stopped 16 years ago.

That article starts with a whopper of a lie (claiming there is a link established between "global warming" and extreme weather - namely storm strength), and it goes down hill from there.

norma427 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2012, 08:48:33 PM »

Craig,

Thanks for your thoughts about those articles. You are more knowledgeable in areas like that than I am.

Norma

Chicago Bob · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:01:06 PM »

"Global Warming!!" is another one of those enticing catch phrases....sorta like "two for one" or "going out of business(for the last time,really)". There is always gonna be a Final Clearance folks !!!!!

PowerWagonPete · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:28:16 PM »

Once you discover in which part of the world wheat originated, Norma, you'd realize the article you linked to is complete and utter baloney... LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat

norma427 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2012, 10:50:48 PM »

Quote from: PowerWagonPete on December 19, 2012, 09:28:16 PM

Once you discover in which part of the world wheat originated, Norma, you'd realize the article you linked to is complete and utter baloney... LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat

Pete,

And to think I trusted was what on PMQ news.

Norma

Chicago Bob · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2012, 11:17:38 PM »

I heard jus last week that they said New Yorkers were soon going to be BANNED!! from eatingy NY style pizzas....

HAha jUsT kIddInG !

patnx2 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2012, 03:47:27 AM »

wow it's a relief to know that all those scientists are just wasting their time. lol Patrick

TXCraig1 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:57:16 AM »

Quote from: patnx2 on December 20, 2012, 03:47:27 AM

wow it's a relief to know that all those scientists are just wasting their time. lol Patrick

With billions in grants flowing in every year, they are wasting something

and so long as they keep coming up with scares like this, the cash will keep flowing. It doesn't take much imagination to understand why all those "scientists" are working so hard to make this stuff up...

pizzaboyfan · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2012, 12:42:34 PM »

Quote from: norma427 on December 19, 2012, 10:50:48 PM

Pete,

And to think I trusted was what on PMQ news.

Norma

Don't feel bad.
You'd be surprised to learn just how much news is faux.

radioartisan · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2012, 06:41:04 PM »

Quote from: TXCraig1 on December 19, 2012, 07:44:49 PM

2) Global warming stopped 16 years ago.

The data points between 16 years ago and now are equal. That doesn't necessarily mean global climate change stopped. If you look at data back further, like 100 years, there are several instances where the temp went down, but the general trend is up. Climatologists look at long term trends, not recent.

But I wouldn't be too worried about wheat. Someone will engineer some variant that will grow in the desert if it will make a profit.

Chicago Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM »

Where they hollering about GW back in the 30's?

pizzaneer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:35:39 PM »

Quote from: Chicago Bob on December 20, 2012, 06:45:20 PM

Where they hollering about GW back in the 30's?

Have you heard of the Dust Bowl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Chicago Bob · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:39:51 PM »

Quote from: pizzaneer on December 20, 2012, 07:35:39 PM

Have you heard of the Dust Bowl?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

What does that have to do with my question....
"rain follows the plow"

pizzaneer · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:47:24 PM »

Seriously? Did you read the link?

Tscarborough · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:32:19 PM »

The area in which I currently reside was at one point under a shallow sea for enough years to build up 3000 feet of limestone. Now it isn't. Climate changes.

Mankind is a powerful influence upon the world, but mankind is also the most adaptable of all the animals. We are damaging the Earth, but the Earth does not care. When the environment changes, we adapt.

The real question for me boils down to this:

The developed countries have reduced the amount of pollution to the point that we have hit diminishing returns. If you have a real concern about the environment and "climate change" look to the second and third worlds to effect real change that will reduce "carbon footprints" at a relative low cost.

That does not work politically of course, nor does it increase fundraising among the guilt-filled "elite" of the 1st world countries, so it is not the accepted wisdom, although it is common sense.

radioartisan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:39:09 PM »

Quote from: Tscarborough on December 20, 2012, 09:32:19 PM

Mankind is a powerful influence upon the world, but mankind is also the most adaptable of all the animals. We are damaging the Earth, but the Earth does not care. When the environment changes, we adapt.

Damage is a relative thing. As you mention, it's a matter of adapting (evolving) to accommodate or even benefit from change. While man may be the most adaptable, the question is whether everything else, like our food sources, is adaptable.

Tscarborough · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »

The dinosaurs didn't think so. C'est la vie.

Chicago Bob · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2012, 09:43:31 PM »

guilt-filled "elite" ...
Is that some sorta new oxymoron?
Cracks me up jus to say it....

TXCraig1 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2012, 12:23:13 AM »

Quote from: radioartisan on December 20, 2012, 06:41:04 PM

The data points between 16 years ago and now are equal. That doesn't necessarily mean global climate change stopped. If you look at data back further, like 100 years, there are several instances where the temp went down, but the general trend is up. Climatologists look at long term trends, not recent.

But I wouldn't be too worried about wheat. Someone will engineer some variant that will grow in the desert if it will make a profit.

Yep, the general trend for the past 100 years is up and it's very steady. Case closed. Man was not doing anything between 100 and 50 years ago that the alarmists can blame for warming back then - it's a recovery from the little ice age.

There are three groups of people heavily vested in the idea of global warming: 1) "scientists" who see an endless string of grants, 2) politicians who see an limitless source of power - if you can regulate CO2, you can regulate all aspects of life, and 3) third world countries who see cash from the first world for global warming related "damages."

Global warming is the biggest scam in the history of the world, IMHO.