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How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« on: January 26, 2013, 11:03:09 PM »
I was just thinking that this site pizzamaking.com has probably revolutionized home pizza making.  Using the information on this site, it's now possible to make restaurant-quality pizza at home.  Was it possible or common prior to the creation of this site?  It certainly wasnt when i was a kid.  i remember my mother buying boxed pizza dough mix and baking it in a big rectangle on a cookie sheet, and while it was fun to make, it never really tasted like real pizza that you would get from a restaurant.  when i started making my own pizzas as an adult, this site already existed and so everything i know is from here!  For those of you who were making pizzas before the internet, did you find that your pizzas really improved after this site came to be?  Just looking at old recipes and posts on this site, I can see that there seems to have been evolution and improvement in the quality of pizzas.  Quite amazing if you ask me!   :chef: :chef: :chef:

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 12:16:00 AM »
I would not be making the many styles of pizza nor the quality of pizza I make without this site.

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 09:32:02 AM »
I think this site is AMAZING!!! The knowledge on here is unmatched! I personally want to thank everyone on helping me start my journey in WFO pizza making.

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 10:57:24 AM »
I was just thinking that this site pizzamaking.com has probably revolutionized home pizza :chef: :chef: :chef:

CDN, I think that for those of us fortunate enough to have found this site, our home pizza making has improved dramatically.
That being said, I doubt if the vast majority of home pizza makers,eaters, have ever been here.
This .com like hundreds or thousands of specialty .coms, is of great value to but a select few.

More pizza pie for us!!!!!!!!

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2013, 12:38:42 PM »
CDNpielover,

From what Steve, the owner and Administrator of this forum, has said, he started the forum because he couldn't find any place that was devoted to trying to make restaurant quality pizzas at home. In order to get the best information on how to do this, and be free of influence from commercial interests like advertisers, he decided to make the forum a free and open public resource and be not-for-profit. There would be no inundation with advertising. Steve also wanted the forum to be "G" rated so that his own children could come to the forum and learn from it without being subjected to rude conduct or objectionable content. That objective remains true to this day, although it is a challenge to fulfill this objective in a social media world where people can post pretty much what they want without accountability. Fortunately, our forum has not had the types of problems in this area that other forums have had, or so I am told.

As I recall it, when I joined the forum in 2004, there were only a few forums where pizza as a subject was covered. They were eGullet, the PMQ Think Tank and the Pizza Today bulletin board. eGullet had some content on making pizza at home but it was quite limited and nothing like what was being posted on this forum at the time. The PMQTT and the PT Bulletin Board were for professional pizza operators although some home pizza makers would register and become members there. I think that one major aspect that differentiated pizzamaking.com from everyone else was the fact that photos could be easily inserted in posts, and be assured that they would remain there forever and not disappear because a link to a photo became inoperative.

We also live in a visual world where people will be reluctant to try something, especially something like a pizza, without seeing photos. It was possible to do something similar at the PMQTT but few members made use of that capability. I do not think that the PT Bulletin Board had that functionality. So, photos in posts was and is a big differentiator.

If we fast forward to the present time, the PMQTT has become a shadow of its former self even though it just this past week went through a facelift (http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13917&sid=b03d59f057a5474632f070884e72d057). Posting volume at that forum has seen a dramatic decline over the past year or two. I'm not sure why that has happened. Maybe the economy has been a factor and maybe professionals have to spend so much time trying to be successful with their businesses that they are left with too little time to post on matters of interest to them. The PT Bulletin Board no longer exists. I mention these cases since our forum has seen a dramatic increase in the number of members who are pizza professionals. I am not sure if this is a good thing or not because professionals do not last long on the forum. They usually are not interested in home pizza making and they almost always leave when they have gotten what they were looking for. It may be partly by default that such people ended up coming to our forum in the first place.

Another area where I have seen the effects of the forum on its members is the sizable number of members who have gone on to be professionals. In many such cases, they learned most of what they know about making pizzas from the content on the forum. Some of those members are still on the forum but the day-to-day details of running a business keeps them from being as active as they once were. But it is unmistakable that this forum was a major contributor to what they went on to achieve.

Another area where I think this forum has differentitated itself is in the area of tools, especially the dough calculating tools. Those tools have allowed members to do things that were virtually impossible for them to do before, at least with ease. Those tools have also been responsible for a big increase in digital scales. If those tools disappeared, I would disappear also :-D.

In my view, the keys to success of this forum is having enough members who are generous and selfless in what they do (they are usually the ones who are also "power posters"), high quality content, and good moderating. As a Moderator who has spent considerable time in each camp, I would rate them equally. Yet, the structure is fragile. Otherwise, the other pizza related forums would be thriving, not in remission or defunct. Over the years, we have lost some very good and productive members. The reality is is that any given time, there is only a relatively small number of members who are the power posters who keep the ship afloat and help develop the quantity and quality of subject matter content that in my opinion is necessary for survival. They are an important reason for the success of this forum.

Peter




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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 12:46:18 PM »
I know that I made pizza dough basically the same way for 30 years, and it was always a same day dough.  I don't do that anymore.

As for home pizza making in general, I think anyone that comes here and utilizes the forum will make better pizza than what they made before, regardless of how good it was.  In the larger scheme of things, I am not sure that there is enough penetration to say that PM.com has had a national or international impact on pizza making at home, but rather as Pete alludes to above, the impact of members who have gone pro DOES have influence on the national pizza scene.
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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 12:48:46 PM »
CDNpielover,

From what Steve, the owner and Administrator of this forum, has said, he started the forum because he couldn't find any place that was devoted to trying to make restaurant quality pizzas at home. In order to get the best information on how to do this, and be free of influence from commercial interests like advertisers, he decided to make the forum a free and open public resource and be not-for-profit. There would be no inundation with advertising. Steve also wanted the forum to be "G" rated so that his own children could come to the forum and learn from it without being subjected to rude conduct or objectionable content. That objective remains true to this day, although it is a challenge to fulfill this objective in a social media world where people can post pretty much what they want without accountability. Fortunately, our forum has not had the types of problems in this area that other forums have had, or so I am told.

As I recall it, when I joined the forum in 2004, there were only a few forums where pizza as a subject was covered. They were eGullet, the PMQ Think Tank and the Pizza Today bulletin board. eGullet had some content on making pizza at home but it was quite limited and nothing like what was being posted on this forum at the time. The PMQTT and the PT Bulletin Board were for professional pizza operators although some home pizza makers would register and become members there. I think that one major aspect that differentiated pizzamaking.com from everyone else was the fact that photos could be easily inserted in posts, and be assured that they would remain there forever and not disappear because a link to a photo became inoperative.

We also live in a visual world where people will be reluctant to try something, especially something like a pizza, without seeing photos. It was possible to do something similar at the PMQTT but few members made use of that capability. I do not think that the PT Bulletin Board had that functionality. So, photos in posts was and is a big differentiator.

If we fast forward to the present time, the PMQTT has become a shadow of its former self even though it just this past week went through a facelift (http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13917&sid=b03d59f057a5474632f070884e72d057). Posting volume at that forum has seen a dramatic decline over the past year or two. I'm not sure why that has happened. Maybe the economy has been a factor and maybe professionals have to spend so much time trying to be successful with their businesses that they are left with too little time to post on matters of interest to them. The PT Bulletin Board no longer exists. I mention these cases since our forum has seen a dramatic increase in the number of members who are pizza professionals. I am not sure if this is a good thing or not because professionals do not last long on the forum. They usually are not interested in home pizza making and they almost always leave when they have gotten what they were looking for. It may be partly by default that such people ended up coming to our forum in the first place.

Another area where I have seen the effects of the forum on its members is the sizable number of members who have gone on to be professionals. In many such cases, they learned most of what they know about making pizzas from the content on the forum. Some of those members are still on the forum but the day-to-day details of running a business keeps them from being as active as they once were. But it is unmistakable that this forum was a major contributor to what they went on to achieve.

Another area where I think this forum has differentitated itself is in the area of tools, especially the dough calculating tools. Those tools have allowed members to do things that were virtually impossible for them to do before, at least with ease. Those tools have also been responsible for a big increase in digital scales. If those tools disappeared, I would disappear also :-D.

In my view, the keys to success of this forum is having enough members who are generous and selfless in what they do (they are usually the ones who are also "power posters"), high quality content, and good moderating. As a Moderator who has spent considerable time in each camp, I would rate them equally. Yet, the structure is fragile. Otherwise, the other pizza related forums would be thriving, not in remission or defunct. Over the years, we have lost some very good and productive members. The reality is is that any given time, there is only a relatively small number of members who are the power posters who keep the ship afloat and help develop the quantity and quality of subject matter content that in my opinion is necessary for survival. They are an important reason for the success of this forum.

Peter






Peter, thanks for that thoughtful response.  Some great info and perspective in there and I really enjoyed it!   :chef:

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 12:58:52 PM »
I know that I made pizza dough basically the same way for 30 years, and it was always a same day dough.  I don't do that anymore.

As for home pizza making in general, I think anyone that comes here and utilizes the forum will make better pizza than what they made before, regardless of how good it was.  In the larger scheme of things, I am not sure that there is enough penetration to say that PM.com has had a national or international impact on pizza making at home, but rather as Pete alludes to above, the impact of members who have gone pro DOES have influence on the national pizza scene.



Very interesting!  I was looking forward to hearing some feedback on how people made pizza before the site. 

I remember that in 2001, I bought a cheap pizza cookbook called Mr. Foods Pizza 1-2-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Foods-Pizza-1-2-3-Ginsburg/dp/0688144179)l and until this site, that was the only pizza resource I really had.  I'm not sure I was making my own dough until reading this site though, mostly because I was a student at the time and my kitchen had literally only 2 sq ft of counter space and carpet on the floor (not baker friendly haha).

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 09:33:57 PM »
I owe a big "thank you" to everyone out here who helped me along.   Three years ago I had never made a pizza in my life.  I started practicing at home and after about a year, my wife and I decided to open our shop.  It was ambitious (and a bit foolish) and we weren't as good as we thought we were at the time, but we adapted to the commercial aspects of pizza quickly and a year and a half later, we are still in business producing what we feel is some of the best pizza in the Kingdom of Thailand.  Almost weekly we have customers who come in to pick up pizza to take back to Bangkok (which is 600km away) because there is no good pizza there.  

The community here is so generous with its time and knowledge.   I would not be in business today if it wasn't for you guys here.  I know I'm not as active as I have been in the past.  Pete is right that many of us who have gone into business don't have as much time to contribute as we did in the past, but I feel that having professionals here is always a benefit to the community.  I still make time for lurking because I need to keep looking at the pizza porn that comes out of Craig's garage.  My wife says I have a problem, but I don't care...

Kirk
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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 12:36:15 AM »
Kirk, congrats to you and the wife for Your accomplishments. Thanks for sharing with us.
Hoping you have at least 20 more years of success.

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Re: How has pizzamaking.com changed home pizza making?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2013, 06:37:48 PM »
 Using the information on this site, it's now possible to make restaurant-quality pizza at home.  Was it possible or common prior to the creation of this site? It certainly wasnt when i was a kid.  i remember my mother buying boxed pizza dough mix and baking it in a big rectangle on a cookie sheet, and while it was fun to make, it never really tasted like real pizza that you would get from a restaurant.
I had a leg up because at the age of 13(back in early 70's) I worked in pizzerias.
The internet has allowed the type of good home pizza making that you are talking about (imo) CDN...and thank goodness PM.com came along. It has helped to dispell myth's and intrepidation...back in the day if I told a neighbor that they too could make good pizza at home they would say "Yeah, OK , sure Bobby".  ::) Now a day's, all one needs to do is turn them onto our great forum.
But I am still always amazed at how many shop owners I meet whom have never even heard of us......(owners making sub-par pizzas :()
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« Last Edit: January 29, 2013, 06:40:53 PM by Chicago Bob »
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