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Offline ForrestM

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Re: My new Four Grand Mere (FGM) build
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2013, 11:57:00 PM »
I disagree John.  I was writing about my experience.  That was absolutely germane to the conversation.  That being said, I know exactly what was going on with him as he told me.  I was purposely vague as I did not think it was my place to communicate that on a public forum.  However, I also didn't want to just say that he went missing on me without qualifying it.  That would not have been fair.


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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2013, 11:58:25 PM »
I think you should have left all that stuff out about what you think is going on in his personal life. It is not germane to the conversation and it may not even be true.

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2013, 12:04:14 AM »
Really. Especially since... "it all worked out in the end".  ::)

I knew I would run the risk of upsetting the fan club.  I just figured that a honest recount of events would be helpful. 

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2013, 12:04:57 AM »
I disagree John.  I was writing about my experience.  That was absolutely germane to the conversation.  That being said, I know exactly what was going on with him as he told me.  I was purposely vague as I did not think it was my place to communicate that on a public forum.  However, I also didn't want to just say that he went missing on me without qualifying it.  That would not have been fair.

Well OK, I wasn't part of that discussion you guys had, true. My observation was just an outsider's opinion, and a "gut feeling" at that. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intent.

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2013, 12:06:34 AM »
I knew I would run the risk of upsetting the fan club. 

I own a $1200 oven from some guy in NJ. I am no member of no fan club.

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2013, 12:19:15 AM »
I knew I would run the risk of upsetting the fan club.  I just figured that a honest recount of events would be helpful. 
I think the recount of your oven build is great and most informative. And I thank you for that Forrest. I am now a part of your fan club.

But if I ever sell anything to you, please don't say things like "after the check cleared" Bob fell off on you...especially if "in the end" it all gets worked out and we are cool with each other.  Oh never mind man...forget I said anything.
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Re: My new Four Grand Mere (FGM) build
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 02:21:22 PM »
ForestM
As I mentioned, I am looking at getting a turnkey Breadstone Oven, hopefully the 800c. I have to find out if Antoine offers the raised option in the turnkey configuration.

My reason for the raised option is twofold. First ,as you mentioned, it seems that it will be more versatile in non pizza cokking, large birds etc. My second reason may be the ultimate heresy on this forum but here goes. I was hoping that the WFO would also serve as a faux outdoor fireplace, even when not being used for cooking. Obviously a wider opening would add to the ambience of a visual fire.

Am I off base in this or from your viewing of your new oven is this a possibility? I realize this is subjective, but I would value your opinion.

To repeat what  said in a previous post, I appreciate your full and honest comments, and assure you that your comments made me more rather then less likely to buy a Breadstone Oven. The willingness to report both the good and bad adds credence to your assessment. Also your taking the time to explain possible reasons for some of your criticisms in terms of temporary issues Breadstone might be having, seemed to me as someone going the extra step to not leave an unjust evaluation
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2013, 03:52:32 PM »
The raised option definitely allows for better viewing of the fire.  It's not like looking at a fire pit, but it is very beautiful.  Whenever I light a fire in it I am totally transfixed on watching it.  I think a large fireplace would really be much better for that purpose, but this is very nice, and for me much better than a fireplace.  I also got the brick version to add to the visual appeal. 

I talked with Antoine about a turnkey.  He has them.  I did not go that route for a few reasons, but the main one was that I had no easy access for a forklift where I wanted this to go. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2013, 03:57:22 PM »
after a round of cooking whatever i always movv the fire to the center and enjoy the warm glow  8)


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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2013, 05:25:22 PM »
Forrest, I appreciate your ENTIRE story. I'm looking forward to seeing some pretty pies coming out of the new oven. Enjoy!

John, where did you get your oven in NJ? And what did you buy, if you don't mind me asking. Thanks in advance! 
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2013, 05:52:34 PM »
First of all I want to thank Forrest for the thread, and congratulation on your instal, it turned out fantastic.
Also the pictures are beautiful, I may actually ask to use some to put on my website. If I get your approval that is  ;D
 
Very importantly, thank you for the honest feedback. I am on this forum because like everyone, I have a lot to learn.
Again I apologize for the frustration I generated.
Everything you say only helps me improve what I do and I appreciate that.

I did relocate from MD to TX and in all honesty, that was rough and I didn't do a good job communicate the down time I was experiencing. I didn't even have time to be on this forum  :(
Also the tools Forrest had ordered where on back order and in the mix of things it did take a while to get them to him.

For the stand, thank you again, if you feel it is a little weak then I will improve it. When I build an over cart, there are gussets, it is something simple to do and I will add some from now on the stands as well.
Same think with the complete solution package, give me a few weeks and will have a solution to make it a true "Complete Solution Package".

The great news is that I am now up and running here in TX. I found a nice little warehouse and even a little show room that I need to set-up. Hopefully I will be hosting cooking demos very soon.
I received a 40' container from FGM 2 weeks ago and let me tell you, I have everything in stock. Ovens and tools, ... I even added the 700 Bricked dome as it is a very nice little oven.
I do have the 800 C and B Raised dome if you would like and can assemble it to be Turnkey.

Even better, I did keep an operation in MD with a reputable contractor and friend who has been helping me for a couple of years now. Should anyone on the east cost want to stop by, just call me I will make arrangements.

I am fully operational, ready to respond to your email same day, time of the day allowing of course because I do sleep at night  :-D

I look forward to many more exchange on this forum.

Antoine

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Re: My new Four Grand Mere (FGM) build
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2013, 07:48:48 PM »
Thanks Antoine
I will contact you about my raised option question as to availability on the turnkey or the mobile 800 cart
Michael
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2013, 08:07:45 AM »
Forrest, I appreciate your ENTIRE story. I'm looking forward to seeing some pretty pies coming out of the new oven. Enjoy!

John, where did you get your oven in NJ? And what did you buy, if you don't mind me asking. Thanks in advance!

www.grillsnovens.com

I have the Volta 120.

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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2013, 07:57:57 PM »
www.grillsnovens.com

I have the Volta 120.

John K

Thanks for the link John. Are you satisfied with the oven and the pizzas/food coming from the oven?

Chaz
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Re: My new Four Grand Mere (FGM) build
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2013, 08:09:54 PM »
Great looking oven  and install.  I obviously move a lot slower than some of you.  Being limited to non-skiing weekends has slowed my progress. 

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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2013, 08:18:36 PM »
 Chaz,

The oven performs vey well. Aesthetically speaking it is "just ok" and is nowhere near as beautiful as the FGM or Acunto, et al.

I am currently of the belief that there are SO MANY variables (dough - yeast - size of wood sticks - radiant vs conducted heat - cheese....) involved in getting this NP thing perfected that I am perfectly satisfied with leaving the SWEET OVEN for later on....

And honestly I wasn't even on PM.com when I was looking. I chose mine purely based on price, including the shipping. The only other stuff I knew about was FB. And to ship from CA to NC? Not good!

Feel free to PM me for any details if you are considering the Volta , cuz I can talk you through a few of the questions you may have.

Disclaimer: I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE WITH GILLSNOVENS.com, OR THE OVEN MANUFACTURER! :) I'M just a satisfied customer. 

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2013, 08:26:34 PM »
Thanks again John, I appreciate it. I have seen the shipping costs for those ovens. YIKES! I'm in NJ so I wouldn't have to worry about the shipping. I'm still unsure of whether or not I want to get one or not, but it's nice to know there is a company in NJ thatis an option. Thanks again!
Chaz


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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2013, 07:47:28 PM »
Forrest, thank you for posting about your FGM build!

I have a keen interest in your thread as I have a FGM 950C sitting in a crate in my garage, waiting for it to get warmer before I start my build.  Love the look of your 950B and don't know why I didn't order that version, but "C'est la vie." (That's for you Antoine...  :) )  BTW, I'd like to add that Antoine was wonderful to work with when ordering my oven!

I hope you don't mind if I ask a few questions, perhaps it will help others as well...so here goes.

1)  I noticed you used sand to level the floor tiles.  I had read this wasn't necessary anymore as the oven floor had been improved.  I assume you found it necessary.  Does standard "play" sand work, or did you need to use something else?

2)  I'm planning on an 8" chimney.  The included flue adapter in my order is supposedly 200mm which is slightly less than 8".  How did you connect your chimney pipe to your flue adapter, any "adapting" required?

3)  I've read that one of the advantages to tiles is if you break one, you can easily pull that tile out and replace it.  However, the perimeter tiles are installed with refractory mortar/clay on the outer edge.  Is that because the tiles would move too much without anchoring the perimeter?  Would you be able to replace a perimeter tile if necessary?

4)  Lastly, I'm curious about the small gap between the tiles.  Is the gap large enough that "junk" can fall in between the tiles.  If so, would it just burn off, or is it so small that it is a non-issue?

Thanks again for a very informative thread and I can't wait to see your first pizzas!

BTW,  I'm very excited that I get to meet Antonio Starita, Roberto Caporuscio, and Antimo Caputo at "Marcos Coal-Fired Pizzeria" in Denver this Thursday evening!  I promise to share any tips I learn!


Bob
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2013, 08:26:54 PM »
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BTW,  I'm very excited that I get to meet Antonio Starita, Roberto Caporuscio, and Antimo Caputo at "Marcos Coal-Fired Pizzeria" in Denver this Thursday evening!  I promise to share any tips I learn!


Bob
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Bob,

Please let me/us know how Marcos is. I will be in Denver in 10 days and will definitely stop in if its worthwhile. What a star-studded lineup! Marco must be a pretty important dude!


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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2013, 08:53:51 PM »
Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but "Marcos" is outstanding.  Two locations; the original downtown - Thursday will be my first time there, and the Tech Center location south Denver - been there many times.

Mark Dym / "Marco" is from Brooklyn but is a true Neopolitan artisan!  "Marcos" is the only VPN pizzeria that I know of in Colorado and I'll reiterate...it is outstanding.  I hope I can come close to his pizzas when I install my oven.

As a side note, being from New York, Mark had "New York" water flown in and analyzed.  He has some kind of machine to duplicate the exact chemical composition of New York water.
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2013, 10:11:16 PM »
Not to hijack your questions, but here are some notes from my installation:

1)  I noticed you used sand to level the floor tiles.  I had read this wasn't necessary anymore as the oven floor had been improved.  I assume you found it necessary.  Does standard "play" sand work, or did you need to use something else?

Oven floor without adjustment was 95% perfect; with adjustment 97% perfect.  I would set it up without and see what you think.

2)  I'm planning on an 8" chimney.  The included flue adapter in my order is supposedly 200mm which is slightly less than 8".  How did you connect your chimney pipe to your flue adapter, any "adapting" required?

I purchased a standard 8" black pipe to double wall insulated adaptor that fit quite tight.  The loosest connection was between the flue and the FGM adapter, but it all worked without anything extra.


3)  I've read that one of the advantages to tiles is if you break one, you can easily pull that tile out and replace it.  However, the perimeter tiles are installed with refractory mortar/clay on the outer edge.  Is that because the tiles would move too much without anchoring the perimeter?  Would you be able to replace a perimeter tile if necessary?

Once the oven is built, I don't see how you could easily fix a tile.  Maybe the ones in the middle, but the edges not likely.

4)  Lastly, I'm curious about the small gap between the tiles.  Is the gap large enough that "junk" can fall in between the tiles.  If so, would it just burn off, or is it so small that it is a non-issue?

In mine, the gaps in between the center tiles were only at the corners and they were small.  I can picture them filling up with ash, but they are only about 1 mm at most, so really insignificant.

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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2013, 10:37:45 PM »
I agree with Reep.  I leveled the floor because when I put them in without doing so, I slid a peel on the surface to see if it would catch any edges, and it did.  So I went to home depot and bought the finest sand they had, which was play sand or something.  It was still pretty coarse.

My chimney was a bitch to get on to the flu adaptor. But once you get it on there, it is snug.   

I figure any gaps will fill with ash.  They are all pretty minor.  Maybe a grain of sand or two thick.

I don't have much to add beyond what Reep said on the other points.  He is pretty spot on.


Antoine, any of my pictures that you would like to use just let me knw.  I can send you full size images.

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« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2013, 09:34:26 PM »
Thanks for the answers Forrest and Reep!  All the small details will really help when it is time to install my oven.

If you don't mind, I have another question.  I've been wondering about the cast iron door and rain.  I've been thinking about an overhang on my enclosure to keep rain from seeping between the door and door frame or between the door frame and brick arch.  Overkill?

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« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2013, 11:28:44 PM »
I think that will be fine.  I thought about rain getting in as well.  What I did was make the back slightly higher than the front.  Not so much that it is perceivable when using it, but enough that if water gets in, it will run out the front rather than pool towards the back.

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« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2013, 11:42:18 PM »
I unintentionally also have the arch protruding more than the landing.  Even so the only way for rain to get in is if the landing was quite a bit past the arch.  I don't see it as a real issue, but I live in SoCal and my door faces away from the direction the rain comes.

Before I went FGM I had a design with a hood and liked it.  Look at the Earthstone gallery for some ideas if you like. 


 

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