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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2013, 02:15:04 PM »
:(Sorrento, Polly-O (a Kraft brand), Stella, Frigo, Dragone and even Great Value (Walmart) all make whole milk mozzarella, and are all decent cheeses. Mozzarella by it's very nature is not an overly flavorfull cheese, it's basically milk and salt, don't really know what people expect of it, it's not a long aged cheese which developes flavor over time. Paying a fortune for it isn't gonna buy you much more either! :(

Oh, I disagree  ;D While grocery motz sees very little aging, if any, foodservice motz can see as long as a month or more.  There's a butteriness and a richness to foodservice motz that can't be found in grocery motz. I'm no longer a Grande fanatic, but I'm still a huge believer in foodservice cheese- and foodservice cheese, even in bulk, is not cheap.


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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2013, 02:16:14 PM »
Bob what might help you get that buttery flavor is....butter.  I drizzle melted butter and sprinkle pecorino on my NY pies.  You get buttery, salty, and added flavor to your mozz.

Scott why are you no longer a Grande fanatic?

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2013, 02:16:48 PM »
This may me a stupid question but if whole milk has more Flavor then part skim then why don't more people use it? Is excessive oiling the only reason?

Some people are not big fans of oil-y pizza (weird, I know), but I think the larger driving factor is health.

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2013, 02:23:26 PM »
Bob what might help you get that buttery flavor is....butter.  I drizzle melted butter and sprinkle pecorino on my NY pies.  You get buttery, salty, and added flavor to your mozz.

Scott why are you no longer a Grande fanatic?

You know, I thought about drizzling butter many many times.  I also pondered grating very cold/frozen butter with a hard cheese grater to create the lightest possible layer. It's not a bad idea, but I think the milkfat and flavor compounds in a 'true' aged foodservice motz are more than just butter.

If someone were intent on resurrecting grocery cheese, and they were leaning towards enrichment, and I was eating their pizza, I'd definitely prefer butter than evoo.  The vegetal notes of evoo work perfectly on a NP pie, but on NY, it's just wrong, imo.

My last batch of Grande was a bit bland.

http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,25487.msg256935.html#msg256935

I'm just not feeling very Grande any more  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2013, 02:28:32 PM »
Scott as long as you don't overdo it on the butter it will take your cheese up a notch.  So just a light drizzle.    I put it into one of those cheap plastic squeeze bottles with a small hole cut at the tip.  Try it you'll thank me later.  Also be aware if you are using salted butter vs. Unsalted. 

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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2013, 02:44:22 PM »
I'll agree that a good mozz from a food service beats the stuff in the store, I  have mentioned on several occasions that I buy 5 lb. bricks of Sorrento from a food service outlet. That said, it still remains that mozz is a mild cheese no matter how long it's been aging, and I personally spend the extra$$$ to try Grande and was not impressed in the least. I have one source (and it will remain anonymous) where I can get outstanding mozzarella, and ONE only! The rest of the stuff is all pretty much the same. Lately, I've been using Dragone in a pinch and I'd rate it one of the best store bought brands. I mix other cheeses with mozzarella to get around it's lack of flavor.
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« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2013, 02:53:50 PM »
If you have access to some good (and I do mean GOOD) cheese curds, grate them up and try them on your pizza! ;)
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« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2013, 02:57:31 PM »
Some people are not big fans of oil-y pizza (weird, I know), but I think the larger driving factor is health.

 :-D :-D :-D yeah, I love it. People thing oily cheese is cheap, the "oil" is the fat that comes out of the cheese at high heat. Fatty cheese is the good stuff!
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« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2013, 03:03:31 PM »
I'll agree that a good mozz from a food service beats the stuff in the store, I  have mentioned on several occasions that I buy 5 lb. bricks of Sorrento from a food service outlet. That said, it still remains that mozz is a mild cheese no matter how long it's been aging, and I personally spend the extra$$$ to try Grande and was not impressed in the least. I have one source (and it will remain anonymous) where I can get outstanding mozzarella, and ONE only! The rest of the stuff is all pretty much the same. Lately, I've been using Dragone in a pinch and I'd rate it one of the best store bought brands. I mix other cheeses with mozzarella to get around it's lack of flavor.


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« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2013, 03:09:34 PM »
That said, it still remains that mozz is a mild cheese no matter how long it's been aging, and I personally spend the extra$$$ to try Grande and was not impressed in the least.

Dave, when you previously talked about your disappointing Grande experience, because of my history baking with Grande, I took your comment with a grain of salt, but, with my recent Grande experince, I can see now that you were right.  I'm still a huge believer in foodservice motz, but Grande is not what it used to be.  At this point, I'm still struggling to find the foodservice motz of my dreams without having to spend a fortune buying around eight different brands of 6 lb. logs.  I do know it exists, though, because, even though the crusts in my local pizzeria are woeful, the cheese is on par with what it has been in the past.  If they're still getting good cheese, I should be able to score the same stuff.

How is the sorrento FS vs. the sorrento grocery? Have you been able to taste them side by side?  Sorrento FS will most likely be my next foray into foodservice cheese due to the fact that one of my supermarket delis offers it sliced (at $6/lb.- ouch).

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« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2013, 03:12:22 PM »
Scott as long as you don't overdo it on the butter it will take your cheese up a notch.  So just a light drizzle.    I put it into one of those cheap plastic squeeze bottles with a small hole cut at the tip.  Try it you'll thank me later.  Also be aware if you are using salted butter vs. Unsalted.
Does anybody know of a good mister...I've had those stainless steel looking ones called "Misto" and they don't work good.
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« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2013, 03:13:11 PM »
Scott as long as you don't overdo it on the butter it will take your cheese up a notch.  So just a light drizzle.    I put it into one of those cheap plastic squeeze bottles with a small hole cut at the tip.  Try it you'll thank me later.  Also be aware if you are using salted butter vs. Unsalted.

I've pretty much sworn off grocery motz, but should I ever 'slum' it again ;D I'll give it a shot.  Unsalted, of course, as I've never had an aged motz, grocery or foodservice, that wasn't a tad on the salty side.

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« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2013, 03:14:51 PM »
Does anybody know of a good mister...I've had those stainless steel looking ones called "Misto" and they don't work good.

The last time this topic came up, it got pretty heated, and, as far as I recall, no clear cut frontrunners emerged as quality products. I believe a lot of it boils down to the luck of the draw.

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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2013, 03:16:56 PM »
Well if grande cheese isn't living up to its hype anymore and it's the saple of many popular pizzerias then we have a dilemma. Either they are using a different brand or we are setting out expectations too high????

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« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2013, 03:19:30 PM »
The last time this topic came up, it got pretty heated, and, as far as I recall, no clear cut frontrunners emerged as quality products. I believe a lot of it boils down to the luck of the draw.
10-4..thanks Scott. In the body shop I use these small metal canisters for various cleaning products, etc. Has a schrader/air valve on it to charge it with air...maybe I'll try that.  ;D
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Re: Grocery cheese needs Love
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2013, 03:32:39 PM »
Sorrento's food service mozzarella seems to be a bit firmer and dryer than the stuff you pick up in the grocery store. I can usually get it for about $2.25 a pound, the price fluctuates with the cheese market. I'd say it's slightly better tasting, again, I really don't get a hell of a lot of taste out of any mozzarella, but it is richer. I like the fact that's it's firm and can be grated easily, I run  it through a Presto salad shooter and it doesn't gum it up in the process.
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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2013, 03:40:49 PM »
I like the fact that's it's firm and can be grated easily

Alright, I'm sold. Non gummy grating is a sign of aging (drier/less moisture).  My grocery sorrento is very gummy, so maybe there's hope for a different process for the foodservice grade.


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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2013, 03:45:07 PM »
Every mister I've ever bought wound up in the trash shortly after purchase!
Haven't tested this out but before you toss out your mister...I've been told tha they tend to get gummed up and you need to periodically soak the cap in hot water to clear them out.  Try that and it should clear up the problem.

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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2013, 03:46:15 PM »
Sorrento's food service mozzarella seems to be a bit firmer and dryer than the stuff you pick up in the grocery store. I can usually get it for about $2.25 a pound, the price fluctuates with the cheese market. I'd say it's slightly better tasting, again, I really don't get a hell of a lot of taste out of any mozzarella, but it is richer. I like the fact that's it's firm and can be grated easily, I run  it through a Presto salad shooter and it doesn't gum it up in the process.
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It costs 5 bucks a pound here for grocery store Sorrento! It's as white as can be an no flavor...melts good though
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2013, 12:24:16 PM »
I also find the Sorrento you pick up in the 1 pound block in grocery stores to be softer and wetter, that's why I always buy mine in the 5 lb. brick at a food service distributor. It's very possible that the two cheeses are produced differently. Sorrento's ricotta cheese has two different formulas depending on where and what size container you buy. The stuff in grocery stores is usually crap, the bigger 3 lb. containers sold through clubs like BJ's are much better and the have a shorter list of ingredients. I'm not trying to sell anyone on Sorrento, just passing along my own experiences.
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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2013, 12:36:51 PM »
I have one of those old "Super Grater"(very large grate holes) and I do fine with the 1lb. Sorrento. You're right though Dave, that and Polly-O 1lb.er's can get pretty wet.

I have no food service outlets any where near me here in pizza waste land central NC.  >:(
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« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2013, 12:49:01 PM »
Bob, some of the Saputo brands of mozzarella are usually drier than the Sorrento, Polly or Wallyworld brand. Try finding Dragone or Stella, they may be more to your liking.
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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2013, 02:45:37 PM »
I have no food service outlets any where near me here in pizza waste land central NC.  >:(

You've got plenty of pizzerias in Durham, right?  If you've got pizzerias, you've got a distribution network for commercial cheese and flour.  I am in no way saying that it will be easy to tap into that as a non commercial entity, but, when there's a will, there's usually a way.

I'm curious, do you own your own business?  Do you have a tax code? That will go a long way in dealing with some of these distributors, even if the tax code is for a company that's entirely unrelated food related.

The also the more expensive option of befriending a pizzeria owner.  You're a pretty friendly guy, Bob  :) Is there a pizzeria owner that you could befriend who could buy you some of this stuff? (at a markup, of course). 
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Re: Grocery cheese needs Love
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2013, 07:37:47 AM »
Bob,

Do you have access to boars head mozzarella?  If you do you can always go 50/50 with your Stella to help keep your cost down.  My personal favorite is 50 Mozz/30 Prov/20 White Cheddar.

Asiago is good too.  I remember playing around with all sorts of cheese combos when I first started out.

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« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2013, 10:18:31 AM »
Don't you guys every get tired of having to mix cheese just to get the taste you want. I know some pizzerias do this commonly but I wish there was a good enough motz that didn't require compensation from another cheese. I'm sure there is a motz somewhere that's is a hidden gem. Finding it is the problem.


 

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