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Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« on: March 24, 2013, 08:22:21 AM »
Baked 3 pies using 12 Ecofuel cans that I got from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0074NSVNY/?tag=pizzamaking-20

Mighty Pizza Oven heating time was about 30 minutes and took me about 20 minutes to prepare and bake 3 pizzas. Baking time was about 3.5 minutes. I don't know what the BTU for each can is, probably around 1,500 BTU each. I am still checking with the manufacturer to see if it is safe to use their product in this manner.

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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 10:57:14 AM »
When I was a kid, I used a half soda can with melted crayons and a wide piece of paper towel as a wick to power various experiments. It put out pretty good heat.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 11:40:08 AM »
I am trying to measure minimum amount of heat I can bake a NY pie with properly distributed heat source. I had 10 cans distributed around the bottom stone and two cans right under  it.

 Manufacturer website http://www.ecofuelxb.com/ , the fuel used is DEG "diethylene glycol".
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 11:41:58 AM »
Baked 3 pies using 12 Ecofuel cans that I got from Amazon.


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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2013, 11:58:29 AM »
I am trying to measure minimum amount of heat I can bake a NY pie with properly distributed heat source. I had 10 cans distributed around the bottom stone and two cans right under  it.

 Manufacturer website http://www.ecofuelxb.com/ , the fuel used is DEG "diethylene glycol".

Did you find your BTU info? If not, here it is: http://www.meglobal.biz/diethylene-glycol/physical-properties
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2013, 12:22:54 PM »
Thanks, not sure how to tanslate this info to btu/hr

Heat of Combustion at 25C   -2,154.82 kJ/gmol   -8,730.4 Btu/lb
Heat of Vaporization at 1 atm   57.9 kJ/gmol   234.4 Btu/lb
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 12:33:48 PM »
Pictures or it didn't happen... just kidding.

Here's YouTube link of the event, it is was bit windy, so I did the test in my garage.  The large flames indicate the fuel has reached it's boiling point. Not sure if at boiling point the fuel gives higher or lower heat.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 12:54:54 PM »
Thanks, not sure how to tanslate this info to btu/hr

Heat of Combustion at 25C   -2,154.82 kJ/gmol   -8,730.4 Btu/lb
Heat of Vaporization at 1 atm   57.9 kJ/gmol   234.4 Btu/lb

Simply, assume the weight of fuel in the can is 4oz (just a guess - I have no idea). It would contain 8730*(4/16) = 2183 BTU of energy (HHV*). The literature says the burn time is 5 hours = 437 BTU/hr.

*HHV = Higher Heat Value. One of the combustion by-products is water, and it takes heat to convert the water to water vapor. The net usable heat or LHV (Lower Heat Value) subtracts the heat of vaporization of the water produced. I don't know how meaningful it is in this case.
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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 12:56:45 PM »
Here's YouTube link of the event, it is was bit windy, so I did the test in my garage.  The large flames indicate the fuel has reached it's boiling point. Not sure if at boiling point the fuel gives higher or lower heat.



Did you happen to measure the temperature of the fuel cans after the MPO was at temperature?
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 12:59:43 PM »
They look like they cooked great, top and bottom.  Did you get the cook time?
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 01:10:49 PM »
Did you happen to measure the temperature of the fuel cans after the MPO was at temperature?

I didn't,I will next time.

Gene, bake time, first one was about 3.75, 3.5, 3.4 minutes
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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 02:51:27 PM »
Simply, assume the weight of fuel in the can is 4oz (just a guess - I have no idea). It would contain 8730*(4/16) = 2183 BTU of energy (HHV*). The literature says the burn time is 5 hours = 437 BTU/hr.

*HHV = Higher Heat Value. One of the combustion by-products is water, and it takes heat to convert the water to water vapor. The net usable heat or LHV (Lower Heat Value) subtracts the heat of vaporization of the water produced. I don't know how meaningful it is in this case.

Thanks Graig for make it  simple to understand.  The can weight is not listed on the can or their website. I will get it from the manufacturer or just weight it and guess amount used.
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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 06:11:02 PM »
Hey Bert, that's ingenious!

Also, where did you find that cool looking pizza peel/spatula?  I'd love to get one of those.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 08:16:48 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 09:59:03 PM »
Ingenious idea... no worries about burning yourself at all with all those flames/heat coming out the side?

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 10:09:21 PM »
Bert, thanks for those links.  I saw this one at the bottom of one of your links which is close to yours, and has a folding feature.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005G6TGZS/?tag=pizzamaking-20

Edit:  Here was one other that Amazon had as a link to an outside website.  Not as large.  Yours is the perfect one, and not available of course.

http://www.outdoorcooking.com/professional-chef-pizza-spatula.html?gdftrk=gdfV25448_a_7c1850_a_7c7562_a_7cSPPZ

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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 10:23:28 PM »
... no worries about burning yourself at all with all those flames/heat coming out the side?

Getting burned is just a small price to pay, if it happens, for good pizza.  It looked like he did very well, I have done mutch worse for mutch less...
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 10:25:29 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003E22RS4/?tag=pizzamaking-20

This is the one I use.  It's the only one of these types of handheld spatulas that can comfortably turn/retrieve a 17" pie. I wouldn't retrieve a 17" pie with a 10" spatula.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 10:29:16 PM »
This is the one I use.  It's the only one of these types of handheld spatulas that can comfortably turn/retrieve a 17" pie. I wouldn't retrieve a 17" pie with a 10" spatula.

I just bought that one.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2013, 10:35:33 PM »
Bert, thanks for those links.  I saw this one at the bottom of one of your links which is close to yours, and has a folding feature.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005G6TGZS/?tag=pizzamaking-20

Edit:  Here was one other that Amazon had as a link to an outside website.  Not as large.  Yours is the perfect one, and not available of course.

http://www.outdoorcooking.com/professional-chef-pizza-spatula.html?gdftrk=gdfV25448_a_7c1850_a_7c7562_a_7cSPPZ

Anytime... I find round blades are better to turn a pie, my blade is 10", smaller blades may not offer enough to support to your pies

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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2013, 10:37:41 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2013, 10:46:51 PM »
  It looked like he did very well, I have done mutch worse for mutch less...

Thanks Gene, If time permits, I will be experimenting with them again this weekend. I will try to shield the cans from heat to prevent large flames.

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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 08:47:16 PM »
In my last two experiment I used 10 cans only with 2 cans under the bottom stone. Heating time to over 600 f was about 30 minutes.  I made a heat shield and 1" windguard for each fuel can and made the setup more user freindly. The fuel can temperture was about 200 F at top and 120f at the bottom of can. Flames were much smaller than in my first test.


I will share pictures or video for my next baking test which will be indoor. 

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Re: Baking pizza using Mighty Pizza Oven and Ecofuel cans
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2013, 09:18:32 AM »
Nice looking pies bert.  The MPO seems like a good oven for NY style pies.  Can you post the link, I'd like to look at your pies off the grill.  Do you get as much rim browning when you cook on the grill?
Again, nice work.

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2013, 09:40:12 AM »
Thanks Jakie, here is the link for the last I used my grill http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,22968.0.html

The potential of using chafing fuel and baking 3 to 4 minutes could open new market for pizza making with MPO
Bert