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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 08:48:20 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 09:13:20 AM »
I've been on the (at the time) world's tallest, fastest and largest vertical drop roller coaster. I can pretty much handle any kind of torque, Gs, jostling roller coasters can throw at me.  But I won't step foot on rickety old ones. Those things give me the heebie jeebies.

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 09:41:24 AM »
I've been on the (at the time) world's tallest, fastest and largest vertical drop roller coaster. I can pretty much handle any kind of torque, Gs, jostling roller coasters can throw at me.  But I won't step foot on rickety old ones. Those things give me the heebie jeebies.

Norma, all power to you  ;D



Scott,

Great to hear you also like roller coasters!  ;D I have been on a lot of roller coasters in my lifetime.  The best one (at least for me) was at Rocky Springs Park in Lancaster, Pa.  That park is now closed, but I rode on that one many times (it was only .15) to ride that coaster. The roller coaster at Rocky Springs Park really had a steep drop and was really rickety.  I have also ridden all the roller coasters at Hershey (wooden or steel).  Whenever I traveled to an amusement park, I always look for the wooden ones.  I donít know why, but wooden roller coasters are much more fun for me.  I have also visited Dorney, Great Adventure, and Disney.  If I could and had the money, I would join the group of people that travels all over the world to ride on different roller coasters.  I went on my first ride on a roller coaster at Hershey when I was 6 years old.  Ever since that time, I canít get enough of any kind of roller coasters.  Since I am getting older though, I do worry about maybe getting something out of wack, from all the jostling around.  That doesnít stop me though, if I have a chance to try a new roller coaster.  I wonder why the wooden roller coasters give you the heebie jeebies.  I think any roller coaster is safer than being in a car.

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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2011, 10:21:52 AM »
Here's my favorite Norma  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingda_Ka



I've been on it three times.  It's really quick (28 seconds), but man is it intense.  I noticed from the wiki that it's still the tallest rollercoaster in the world. You make it into NYC now and then, right?  This wouldn't be that far out of your way  >:D

As to the heebie jeebies... rollercoasters are one of those few instances where they actually make them better than they used to. Americans are so incredibly litigious that they have no choice but to test the living daylights out of them before they open to the public. I'm sure that older rollercoasters have technicians checking them for wear/safety, but I'm certain that it's nowhere nearly as exhaustive of a check as a new coaster. Like you said, it's way safer than driving a car, but I feel like if a rollercoaster is going to have an accident, it's most likely going to occur on an old one, and I don't want to be on it when it happens.

And, on another note, although I can handle jostling, it doesn't really thrill me. I like Gs and acceleration.
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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2011, 10:52:03 AM »
Here's my favorite Norma  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingda_Ka



I've been on it three times.  It's really quick (28 seconds), but man is it intense.  I noticed from the wiki that it's still the tallest rollercoaster in the world. You make it into NYC now and then, right?  This wouldn't be that far out of your way  >:D

As to the heebie jeebies... rollercoasters are one of those few instances where they actually make them better than they used to. Americans are so incredibly litigious that they have no choice but to test the living daylights out of them before they open to the public. I'm sure that older rollercoasters have technicians checking them for wear/safety, but I'm certain that it's nowhere nearly as exhaustive of a check as a new coaster. Like you said, it's way safer than driving a car, but I feel like if a rollercoaster is going to have an accident, it's most likely going to occur on an old one, and I don't want to be on it when it happens.

And, on another note, although I can handle jostling, it doesn't really thrill me. I like Gs and acceleration.

Scott,

I did ride on the Kingda Ka a few years ago.  That roller coaster is at Great Adventure at exit 7A on New Jersey Turnpike.  That coaster can be seen,  as soon as you pull into the parking lot.  The Superman coaster there is good, too!  I also thought the Kingda Ka was a great roller coaster!  ;D I like Gís, accelerations and jostling.  Anything is good with me as far as roller coasters.  I donít know how many years I will be able to handle rollers coasters though.  My bones might not take them too much longer.

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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2011, 11:35:13 AM »
Great Adventure, that's right!

If John Glenn can handle the Gs, jostling and stress of space flight at age 77, I'm sure you'll have no problems with little old roller coaster rides for many years to come!  ;D

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2011, 05:16:00 PM »
Great Adventure, that's right!

If John Glenn can handle the Gs, jostling and stress of space flight at age 77, I'm sure you'll have no problems with little old roller coaster rides for many years to come!  ;D

Scott,

I sure am not John Glenn, and am not fit like his he. My roller coaster days might be over at the end of this year. Do you have any idea what the TF for Cesari's pizza was, or even what typical thickness factor are for the NY pizzas you have eaten?  It still wonders me about what typical NY street slices TF are.  The street slices I had in NY, seem thicker than what I usually make.

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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2011, 07:26:46 AM »
Norma, when I think about what constitutes a typical TF for NY style, it's impossible not to look at it subjectively and break it down into what constitutes 'good' NY style and 'mediocre' NY style. I think that typical slice places have a range between .075 and .09, but the better places run on the thinner side (.075-.08).    Great pizza isn't impossible at higher thickness factors, but, imo, it gets a lot harder.

The photos you posted from Cesari's seem to reveal slight alterations in TF from pie to pie.  Either that, or it could be the angle of the picture. Some slices look like .08 while others are looking closer to .09. It could be the difference in slice pies and whole ordered pies.  Slice pies, because they sit out and are seen, tend to get a little more attention to detail when forming and get the extra effort that it takes for a thinner skin.  Whole pies ordered for eat-in or pick-up tend to get thrown together a bit more haphazardly and have thicker skins.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but this kind of 'thinner/prettier slice pie' scenario is pretty common in NY.

As far as your NY experience goes... if I recall correctly, you went to Joes but weren't all that impressed. Quality aside, Joes should still have a relatively small TF.  As far as the other places you went to... as I've mentioned elsewhere, I can't vouch for any place in Manhattan (including Joe's), so if you had slices at a Manhattan eatery, then they could have been a bit thicker and, imo, most likely a bit mediocre. I'm still looking for specific places (finding truly great slice places is like finding a needle in a haystack) but, as you venture into the outer boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, Eastern NJ), your chances of finding great slices with low thickness factors improve.

Here's one place in Eastern NJ, that, although has, imo, oregano and salt issues, is pretty close to what I consider to be a perfect thickness factor for NY Style

Pizza Town (Elmswood Park, NJ)

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2011, 08:59:37 AM »
Norma, when I think about what constitutes a typical TF for NY style, it's impossible not to look at it subjectively and break it down into what constitutes 'good' NY style and 'mediocre' NY style. I think that typical slice places have a range between .075 and .09, but the better places run on the thinner side (.075-.08).    Great pizza isn't impossible at higher thickness factors, but, imo, it gets a lot harder.

The photos you posted from Cesari's seem to reveal slight alterations in TF from pie to pie.  Either that, or it could be the angle of the picture. Some slices look like .08 while others are looking closer to .09. It could be the difference in slice pies and whole ordered pies.  Slice pies, because they sit out and are seen, tend to get a little more attention to detail when forming and get the extra effort that it takes for a thinner skin.  Whole pies ordered for eat-in or pick-up tend to get thrown together a bit more haphazardly and have thicker skins.  I'm not saying that's the case here, but this kind of 'thinner/prettier slice pie' scenario is pretty common in NY.

As far as your NY experience goes... if I recall correctly, you went to Joes but weren't all that impressed. Quality aside, Joes should still have a relatively small TF.  As far as the other places you went to... as I've mentioned elsewhere, I can't vouch for any place in Manhattan (including Joe's), so if you had slices at a Manhattan eatery, then they could have been a bit thicker and, imo, most likely a bit mediocre. I'm still looking for specific places (finding truly great slice places is like finding a needle in a haystack) but, as you venture into the outer boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, Eastern NJ), your chances of finding great slices with low thickness factors improve.

Here's one place in Eastern NJ, that, although has, imo, oregano and salt issues, is pretty close to what I consider to be a perfect thickness factor for NY Style

Pizza Town (Elmswood Park, NJ)


Scott,

Thanks for your explanations about real TF are for NY street slices.   :)

I have eaten street pizza in NY many times and canít remember all the names of the pizza places I shared whole pies fresh baked pies, but there seems to be many different TF from the pizzas I did try.  That is one thing that confuses me about real TF for NY street style pies.  I do remember eating at Rizzoís in Astoria, Queens and their pizza are a little on the thinner side. http://pmq.com/digital/200907/82.html and http://ciaodownny.com/2011/04/05/rizzo%E2%80%99s-fine-pizza-rizzosfinepizza-pizzaastoriany-astoriany-slicesinastoria-pizzainastoria-rizzosny-rizzospizza/

Cesariís pizza was really on the thicker side, at least appearing that way to me.  When I had a slice in my hand it was a lot thicker than NY styles I have made or tired before.  From what I remember from eating Joeís pizza at Reply 30 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,12388.msg117793.html#msg117793 their pizza was more in the lines of what the forum says is typical of a NY slice.  As I posted about Joeís was I didnít know if they were having a bad day, or what happened, but the crust did taste like cardboard.  If you look at the second picture down in Reply 19 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,8768.msg146470.html#msg146470 maybe you can see what I mean about how big and how thick I thought Cesariís slice was.

Thanks for referencing the link to where you think the right TF is for a NY style pizza.  When I have time to visit NY again, I am going to look more into what typical NY slices might look like, and what they might be using for thickness factors.

Norma
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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2011, 03:32:14 PM »
Norma,

Does Cesari's hold itself out as making a NY style pizza?

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2011, 05:16:42 PM »
Norma,

Does Cesari's hold itself out as making a NY style pizza?

Peter

Peter,

I have been trying to figure out if Cesariís at Knoebelís does say if their pizza is NY style or not. I really think Cesariís pizza was too thick to be considered a NY style pizza, but it was good.  I did look on the web and found a few articles, like these.

http://www.amusementparkmom.com/?p=346

http://www.knoebels.com/food.asp

In this article it says that Cesariís pizza and the International Food Court were featured on a Food Network special.  I canít find the Food Nework special segment to watch.  Knoebelís food was supposed to have won many awards.   Knoebels also has restaurants throughout the park, both sit-down and counter service in nature. These eateries have contributed toward the park winning awards from organizations which judge amusement park food, including Amusement Today's Golden Ticket Award for Best Food every year since 1999. Knoebels won the 2009 Golden Ticket for best food for the 11th year in a row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoebels_Amusement_Resort

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/food/americas-best-amusement-park-food-2503392#photoViewer=1

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51335&start=10

This person posts that Cesariís pizza was very similar to a NY style pizza. 

http://www.staging.eightdotthree.net/2005/10/ppp-2005/

Wish I could figure out what kind of style Cesariís pizza is.  I didnít think to ask what style of pizza Cesariís is, when I visited a few days ago.

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2011, 11:03:18 AM »
If anyone is interested, Adam Kuban posted a video of ďPizza PartyĒ on Slice yesterday. http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2011/07/video-pizza-party.html In the video it can be seen what I think are the right TF and how NY slice pizzas should  really look.  At least, slice joints in NY,  where I ate pizzas before, did look like the slices in this video.

I am posting this article and video here, because I was wondering about the TF for a real NY slice of pizza from a regular slice joint compared to what I ate at Cesarií.  The video shows how I remember the slices of pizza I had eaten in NY.

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2011, 07:33:03 AM »
This video of the floods in Pa. was uploaded yesterday.  It shows the damage done at my beloved Knoebelís, Hershey Park and other places in our area.  On Knoebelís Facebook page, it really shows all the damage.  Hershey Park also lost two bison at Zoo America due to the flooding.  I donít know if Cesariís was damaged by the flood.



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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2011, 09:05:34 PM »
This video of the floods in Pa. was uploaded yesterday.  It shows the damage done at my beloved Knoebelís, Hershey Park and other places in our area.  On Knoebelís Facebook page, it really shows all the damage.  Hershey Park also lost two bison at Zoo America due to the flooding.  I donít know if Cesariís was damaged by the flood.



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I have been following the news on the flooding at Knoebels Norma.  My family and I had hoped to head up there the last weekend of October and we are still hoping to do so.  Not sure if Cesaris was damaged or not.  If we do end up going up next month we will definitely look forward to more Cesaris and all the park has to offer.  Its so nice to see the outpouring of support and well wishes for Knoebels and Hershey through Facebook.  With the number of significant floods that Knoebels has endured through the years, I am sure they will be back up and running very soon!

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2011, 09:45:48 PM »
I have been following the news on the flooding at Knoebels Norma.  My family and I had hoped to head up there the last weekend of October and we are still hoping to do so.  Not sure if Cesaris was damaged or not.  If we do end up going up next month we will definitely look forward to more Cesaris and all the park has to offer.  Its so nice to see the outpouring of support and well wishes for Knoebels and Hershey through Facebook.  With the number of significant floods that Knoebels has endured through the years, I am sure they will be back up and running very soon!

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brise,

I also have been following the clean-up at Knoebelsís and Hershey Park on Facebook.  They both are doing a great job, after all the flooding they had.  I also enjoyed all the outpouring of support and well wishes both parks had on Facebook.  I had seen those markers at Knoebelís that had the places marked from before when they had floods.  They always seem to come back quickly.

Hope you and your family get to visit Knoebelsís at the end of October.  If you do, let us know how Cesariís pizza tastes.  Knoebelís is really a nice family park.

Norma

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2013, 04:31:41 PM »
Peter,

In my daughters, granddaughters, great-granddaughters and my opinions, the pizza was really good.  I really donít know what makes it so good.  The cheese tastes like Grande, but I am not sure if it is.  The sauce is thin and just has a great taste also.  The crust looks like it would be bland in flavor, but it wasnít.  The Cesariís pizza is also another pizza, I still canít get out of my mind.  Cesariís pizza is 18".  Would you believe right after I ate two slices of Cesariís pizza and drank a Smoothie, I went right on the roller coasters. The one roller coaster I wasnít on before, because when I went there before it wasnít finished.  That darn thing sure was wicked.  They took pictures that people could buy when they get off the roller coaster and I bought one that had my granddaughter and me on the picture.  If you would have seen my face, it sure would make you or anyone laugh.  :-D

I ask the one girl at the counter if the pieman would open a pie for me, so I could take a video.  He said he would.  I saw they used bakerís pride ovens and made pizzas in two different places. They had big bakerís pride ovens in the back and some small ones in the front.  After we were finished eating the pizza, I asked two employees what kind of cheese they used and all they would say was mozzarella.  The one employee told me a woman makes the dough right at Cesariís everyday.  I couldnít see where they make their dough, but I believe it is in back of the partitions where the ovens are.  When I walked around the back and sides there is a place where Cesariís employees do eat and another big room there.  Their trash cans where also in that place.  No one other than employees can go into that part, so I guess I wonít find out other information.

I also wonder what the TF was for Cesariís pizza.  It seems to me to be thicker than pizzas I have made that are NY style.

Lol, what you see I posted is what I found out about Cesariís dough.  Guess I wonít find anything else out.  They sure didnít use anything like I tried before.  I really donít think all the young employees know much about the dough, sauce, or cheese.

Norma

Norma, I happened to be up at Knoebles this morning and walked by the side entrance to Cesaris just before the park opened and noticed a big flour bag in the trash can... they use Arezzios High Gluten, Bromated, Enriched, Malted flour... and My wife happened to ask the girl at the counter as the shop was opening if she'd sell us some of their prepared pizza sauce and the girl said, 'absolutely' and sold my wife three 12 oz cups of the stuff - for a buck a piece.  I've got it sitting in my fridge right now - I have to go find some flour that is near to this style and try to duplicate!  I am pretty sure they are stretching some low hydration doughs (I'm thinking 58% or so from how the guys stretch it), but definitely a thicker TF... I'll throw some different mozz's on it to see how that tastes on a few pies - I'm gonna give it a try and I'll let you know!

the sauce tastes heavily seasoned (Italian seasoning blend?), heavily salted, and interestingly sweet (honey? brown sugar?... can't put my finger on the sweet)...

Hoping to get up to Roots again soon!

brise

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2013, 06:23:53 PM »
Norma, I happened to be up at Knoebles this morning and walked by the side entrance to Cesaris just before the park opened and noticed a big flour bag in the trash can... they use Arezzios High Gluten, Bromated, Enriched, Malted flour... and My wife happened to ask the girl at the counter as the shop was opening if she'd sell us some of their prepared pizza sauce and the girl said, 'absolutely' and sold my wife three 12 oz cups of the stuff - for a buck a piece.  I've got it sitting in my fridge right now - I have to go find some flour that is near to this style and try to duplicate!  I am pretty sure they are stretching some low hydration doughs (I'm thinking 58% or so from how the guys stretch it), but definitely a thicker TF... I'll throw some different mozz's on it to see how that tastes on a few pies - I'm gonna give it a try and I'll let you know!

the sauce tastes heavily seasoned (Italian seasoning blend?), heavily salted, and interestingly sweet (honey? brown sugar?... can't put my finger on the sweet)...

Hoping to get up to Roots again soon!

brise

brise,
I never hear of the Arezzios High-Gluten flour, but I think it is sold by Sysco.  http://www.syscocentralpa.com/ordereze/Files/Sysco_Italian_Book.pdf   I sure don't know what protein the Arezzios High-Gluten flour is, but would think a flour like All Trumps, Kyrol, Pillsbury Balancer and maybe other higher protein flours might be a good start.  What kind of flours do you have access to?  I would believe their dough is also a lower hydration dough, something like what I tried on the boardwalk thread. 

That sounds great that you got some of the prepared pizza sauce.  That is a tough call on the sauce brand.  So many different pizza sauces taste so different, but when ingredients are added they can almost taste the same.  Maybe you want to save one of the cups and freeze it to compare it if you add different ingredients how yours will taste then.  It could be Italian seasoning, maybe even different brands of oregano's, or other ingredients.  I found different oreganoís have different tastes.  The sweetness could come from many things to.  I even forget how their sauce tastes since I haven't been to Cesari's Pizza for awhile. 

Hope to see you at Root's again soon too!

Let us all know how your efforts turn out and best of luck.

Norma


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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2013, 07:32:42 PM »
Thanks for the reply Norma - and fantastic idea to freeze some of the sauce to compare with future attempts to replicate.. as for flour - I'll have to look around - King Arthur Bread flour is about as high gluten as I've seen around here in Wilmington/newark DE area... but will search around.

Thanks and I'll keep you posted!

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2013, 08:33:15 PM »
Thanks for the reply Norma - and fantastic idea to freeze some of the sauce to compare with future attempts to replicate.. as for flour - I'll have to look around - King Arthur Bread flour is about as high gluten as I've seen around here in Wilmington/newark DE area... but will search around.

Thanks and I'll keep you posted!

-brise

brise,

I don't know you you feel about using VWG, but that can raise the protein of the KABF if you can't find a higher gluten flour in your area.  I recall Cesari's Pizza as being thicker than a regular NY style pizza.  I wonder if the sauce is also from Sysco since the flour might be.  I think when I looked a little while ago that Sysco sells an already spiced pizza sauce.  I don't recall the sauce on Cesari's Pizza having any strong spice taste when the whole pizza is baked, but since you have the real sauce only you would know.  When a sauce and mozzarella are baked on a pizza sometimes it changes the flavor of the sauce.  I don't know if that is what is happening with the sauce on the Cesari's pizza though.  When you eat a Cesari's pizza do you notice a spicy sauce?  Do you have a dough formulation in mind to try and also do you have a TF in mind?

Norma

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2013, 08:40:49 AM »
I was wondering the same thing about the sauce Norma, as possibly Sysco provided... As for dough formulation, I was going to do a 58% hydration dough with a higher TF with the highest gluten flour I can find... Was going to review your boardwalk dough recipe and maybe start with that as a base.  I will let you know how it comes out as I will be putting the dough together today and possibly bake one tonight.

Thanks!

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Re: Has anyone ever tasted Cesari's Pizza at Knoebel's Amusement Park?
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2013, 09:13:32 AM »
I was wondering the same thing about the sauce Norma, as possibly Sysco provided... As for dough formulation, I was going to do a 58% hydration dough with a higher TF with the highest gluten flour I can find... Was going to review your boardwalk dough recipe and maybe start with that as a base.  I will let you know how it comes out as I will be putting the dough together today and possibly bake one tonight.

Thanks!


Brise,

If you want to start with a cheap sauce the Classico crushed tomatoes at Walmart are a good place to start in my opinion, with added ingredients as you see fit.  What kind of pizza sauces do you have access to?  If you want to look I started a new thread about tomato pies, but I know Cesari's doesn't apply the sauce and cheese the way I do.  That isn't as long as the boardwalk thread.  I really don't know if the TF is increased though what might happen with some of those formulations I have been trying.  I really can't give you an exact formulation to try though, because I am still playing around with formulations on that newer thread.  I just changed two batches of dough formulations again this week.  I liked those results the best so far, but might go about changing them again.  I thought when I was at Cesari's that the cheese tasted like Grande, but sure don't know.

Good luck with with your attempts!  ;D

Norma