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Offline dheeraj

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pizza turns out too stiff
« on: June 22, 2013, 01:04:44 PM »
hi,
i have my brick oven and have been dishing jout pizza for some time now, i have noticed that the pizza'a come out too stiff and where as an authentic pizza is i belive is soft and it can be folded thouth it has a well cooked crust,
what am i missing i use the following ratios'
flour 2 kg
water 1leter
salt 50 grm
yeast 15 gr
oil 2 tbs
sugar 25 grm

i work for about 15 min on the dough and refrigerate it and use it when ever i have to by taking it out atleast 1 hrs before preperation

please comment am sure u have gone through this as well, thanks


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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 02:07:26 PM »
There are a different variables. What type of flour are using? How long are you letting to dough sit in fridge before you take it out? And how hot/long are you baking the pizzas? Also, I would use 60% water instead of 50%. I think with some of that information we could find the variable. Oh also post a pic... it's worth a bunch of words right?

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 07:38:17 AM »
hi jeff i keep the dough refrigerated for 2-3 days and i take it out about 1 1/2 hrs before making pizza i have been using 50 % hyderation as i felt 60 would make it difficult to handle and making balls , should i try 60% and i'll post pic soon

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 07:44:27 AM »
I don't know what particular "style" you're shooting for but you might want to also try a max oven temp and watching closely, if you want a softer result. Use a stone or, if you have nothing else, prep your pie on parchment paper and put that directly on the floor of your oven. Once the bottom has cooked a bit, you can transfer it to a baking sheet/pan to finish off the baking. If you're using a home oven, don't concern yourself with dough handling, and just go for a higher hydration for a moister/softer crust.

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 07:54:04 AM »
Dola. I just re-read the opening post and noticed that you have a "brick oven". If you are burning wood and can get some higher temps in that, head over to the Neapolitan forum and check out what's going on there. While a bit complicated to a beginner, TXCraig1's dough recipe is a good one to try. You don't necessarily have to follow it to the T, but whatever portions you can follow will get you going in the right direction. :)

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 02:29:48 PM »
Okay, yes I would up your water % to 60.

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 08:47:27 PM »
I`m having similar problems....

is there something i can do to get my pizza softer....

I`m using an electric oven and had to wait a long time for it to cook....

maybe that had something to do with it?

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 03:36:43 AM »
Tony, how long are you're pizzas taking to bake? Also, what formula are you using?

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2013, 08:58:19 AM »
hi, there's something very different i have noticed at times when i work in the dough balls after i have kept them out from the refrigerator , i have not recorded the time but usually i would be about 1.5- to 2.5 hrs i some time feel the dough breathes in the sence when i press them with finger for shaping i see bubbles if air pocket forming i this happens pretty quickly and it acuaally fells so alive and the pizza turn out funtastic. can anyone tell me what it is the measurements is the same as i have posted in tha above post


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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 03:19:26 AM »
hurray  guys i cracked it thanks a lot, last evening i tried with the 60! hyderation and the pizza's tured out soft and fluffy. i made the dough at 12 noon  it felf very stickey so i usd some flour for making them into balls i was really not sure if i was doing it right and refrigerated it until 5 pm, prepared the oven which too about 1and a half hour,when i was opening the dough i felt the dough very soft and i could see bubbles getting created in dough almost asif the dough was breating and when i took them out from the oven it was toooo damm soft and fluffy it was a revelation,
thanks jeff ,


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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 03:29:47 AM »
That's really good to hear. Some tips for working with higher hydration doughs are to
1. Autolyse- just quickly incorporate all of the ingredients and then walk away for about 30 minutes and then finish kneading (a true autolyse is just the flour and water but I don't notice a difference from mixing everything together and that's easier)
2. Just simply knead the ingredients longer and it will be easier to work with. Careful not to over mix or it can get tough

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 10:30:30 AM »
Hi jefferey, is it possible to strechthe dough by slapping  with 60 percent hyderation because i remember i was dusting the dough to make sure it dosent stick down and i opened the dough by simply pressing it with finger tips , i really was not sure if i could slap it as it was too hyderated so very soft or do u thing its still possible if i practic and use lots of flour for dusting...

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 03:06:27 AM »
just a video of me making pizza with 60 % hyderation and its wonderful

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dwXDCSs0BA" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dwXDCSs0BA</a>

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 10:57:52 AM »
You can also drop the oil and sugar, which will help even more.

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Re: pizza turns out too stiff
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 01:07:58 PM »
hi, , i have noticed that the pizza'a come out too stiff

Perhaps you should eliminate the viagra from the dough. ;D