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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1650 on: May 20, 2015, 02:17:49 PM »
Norma,

Since I saw nothing out of line with all of the numbers, the first question I was going to ask you if you confirmed the numbers was if you made more dough balls the past two weeks. I think you put your finger on the problem. That is good because you want to solve that problem before it really gets hot at market as summer approaches.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1651 on: May 20, 2015, 03:12:39 PM »
Norma,

Since I saw nothing out of line with all of the numbers, the first question I was going to ask you if you confirmed the numbers was if you made more dough balls the past two weeks. I think you put your finger on the problem. That is good because you want to solve that problem before it really gets hot at market as summer approaches.

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Peter,

I don't really know how I will solve that problem before summer comes without having the prep fridge or deli case freeze up again.  I don't want to lower the yeast amount much more to lose flavor in the crust.  I do think I have to purchase another small scale for market though to make sure I use the right yeast amount.  I watched on Monday and the top of the prep fridge kept the right temperatures but the bottom of the prep fridge struggled to keep the right temperature when cooling all of those dough balls down.  I think since the first batch of dough was put on the top shelf that is why it cooled down faster.  I have always noticed that in the past too.  The bottom shelf always ferments dough faster.  I think that is because there in no circulation underneath those dough balls.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1652 on: May 21, 2015, 12:05:20 AM »
Norma, is there room in the fridges where the dough has been getting over-fermented to stash a few bottles of ice in with the warm dough?  I know one should not have to. Emergencies happen, though.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1653 on: May 21, 2015, 08:19:56 AM »
Norma, is there room in the fridges where the dough has been getting over-fermented to stash a few bottles of ice in with the warm dough?  I know one should not have to. Emergencies happen, though.

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Roy,

There is not any room to stash a few bottles of ice in with the warm doughs when the bottom is filled with dough balls.  Walter also mentioned about the same possibility to me in a PM.  I appreciate you trying to help with the doughs!  :) I really don't know but the stand next to me might not be there for a really long time anymore.  The lady that owns that stand has been having a lot of heart problems.  She is in here 80's so I don't know what will happen.  If additional space becomes available I will like to get a stand up fridge to put in a part of that stand so I wouldn't have so many problems with my doughs. 

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1654 on: May 21, 2015, 03:25:43 PM »
Tom (orangeman1) came to visit me today.  He was on his way back to Chicago after going to NYC.  It was a pleasure to meet Tom!  We had a lot of fun talking about pizza and other things related to pizzas. The dough balls from the second and third batch of dough yesterday were overblown this morning almost as soon as they were removed from the prep fridge.  I had to use the dough mold again, as did Tom when he made two pizzas.  Sorry Tom that the dough balls had to be so hard to handle.  They were even worse than last week, except after the dough mold was used.  The first batch of dough that was used later on in the day could be opened normally without the dough mold.

The last 4 photos are of the dough balls were from the first batch of dough made yesterday.  It can be seen they were not blown out.  I am more confused than ever that the first batch of dough was normal and the other two batches weren't. 

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Norma, It was such a wonderful experience to finally get to meet you in person! I enjoyed every minute and the time just flew by. Thanks so much for the  visit!

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1655 on: May 21, 2015, 05:52:40 PM »
Norma, It was such a wonderful experience to finally get to meet you in person! I enjoyed every minute and the time just flew by. Thanks so much for the  visit!

Tom,

I am glad you enjoyed your visit.  Sorry about the rough opening dough balls.  :-[

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1656 on: May 23, 2015, 11:47:52 AM »
I had ordered 3 new small scales this week after the small scale broke.  They came this morning.  I was having problems the last two weeks with overblown dough balls.  Two scales are for market and one scale is for home use.  I also purchased a calibration set so maybe I will see if the scales are accurate in weight.

While cleaning and restocking at market yesterday the prep fridge was turned on so I might see how well it kept temperatures.  If seems like somehow the temperature dial must have been moved some because the bottom of the prep fridge didn't go down to the temperature I wanted it to.  I then turned the dial and the temperature then came down in the bottom of the prep fridge.  Before I left market the plug was pulled and the temperature in the bottom of the fridge stayed constant for hr.  I know it is not good to just pull the plug on a fridge but the temperature dial is way in back of the shelves and it is hard to get to.

Hopefully this coming Tuesday things go better.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1657 on: May 25, 2015, 08:39:41 PM »
There were 4 batches of dough that the final dough temperatures were taken today.  The last batch was a Detroit style dough.  I would have thought the final dough temperature for the Detroit style dough batch would have been higher than the boardwalk style dough batches because of the rest period and mixes on speed two. 

The yeast for the boardwalk style doughs and the Detroit style dough batches were weighed on the small scale.  The first IDY was also weighed on the larger scale.  It looks like it didn't matter which scale was used for the IDY. 

Some of the other photos show how soft the dough becomes when it sits on the bench a little.  It also stretches not long after being mixed.  Some of the photos shows oiled bagged dough balls, oiled dough balls, and one dough ball that was not oiled.

Three videos were taken of the Hobart mixing the dough if anyone is interested.  The mixer is on speed one.  The first video shows the mixing of water, flour, IDY, sugar and salt.  The second video is after the oil is added to the dough.  The third video is almost when the dough is finished mixing.   

 

   

   

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1658 on: May 25, 2015, 08:44:39 PM »
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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1659 on: May 25, 2015, 09:06:45 PM »
There were 4 batches of dough that the final dough temperatures were taken today.  The last batch was a Detroit style dough.  I would have thought the final dough temperature for the Detroit style dough batch would have been higher than the boardwalk style dough batches because of the rest period and mixes on speed two. 
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Norma,

In a couple of your photos, you show the thermometer in what looks to be only flour, with temperatures of 69.8 degrees F and 61.7 degrees F. Is that correct and, if so, did you keep your flour at room temperature before making the dough batches? Also, in the case of the Detroit style dough, what rest period are you using?

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1660 on: May 25, 2015, 09:51:43 PM »
Norma,

In a couple of your photos, you show the thermometer in what looks to be only flour, with temperatures of 69.8 degrees F and 61.7 degrees F. Is that correct and, if so, did you keep your flour at room temperature before making the dough batches? Also, in the case of the Detroit style dough, what rest period are you using?

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Peter,

The thermometer was only in dough batches.  When a big dough batch is pulled out of the mixer it looks kind of shabby when first put on the bench but really isn't if it is looked at in the mixer.  The first thermometer reading was for the first dough batch that was made today (69.8 degrees F).  The 67.1 degree F thermometer temperature was for the Detroit style dough batch.  I did use the flour at room temperature today but used cold water to mix the dough batches.  For the Detroit style dough it is mixed on speeds 1 and 2 then rested for about 4 minutes.  It is then mixed on speed 2 until it looks mixed enough.  The second mix might be about 2 minutes or a little longer. 

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1661 on: May 26, 2015, 09:29:58 PM »
I was happy today that none of the dough balls were overblown.  No dough mold needed!  :P Yesterday I watched how long the bottom of the prep fridge took to get to normal temperatures when all of the dough balls were in the bottom of the prep fridge.  Of course the Detroit style dough balls are not kept in the prep fridge.  It took about 2 hrs. for the prep fridge to come down in temperature to normal.  I then wondered what would happen today.  It can be seen on the thermometer on the top part of the prep fridge and the bottom part of the prep fridge what the temperatures were today.  Even when opening the door to the bottom of the prep fridge and the top swing up part the temperatures did not go above where they are supposed to be.  The dough balls handled good today. 

There was even some blistering on the one day cold fermented rim crusts.  The first two batches of dough were 61% hydration.  The third batch of dough was 63% hydration.  I thought it was odd that I couldn't tell which dough balls were 61% hydration or 63% hydration.  The pizzas baked okay in the top and bottom decks today.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1662 on: May 26, 2015, 09:32:21 PM »
Very cool Norma!  Nice!
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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1663 on: May 26, 2015, 09:34:19 PM »
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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1664 on: May 26, 2015, 09:35:55 PM »
Very cool Norma!  Nice!

Jeff,

Thanks!  I sure was happy today that there was no need to use the dough mold.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1665 on: Yesterday at 12:54:19 AM »
Norma, I'm glad to see you have the fridge temps under control. Your pies look very nice as usual.

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1666 on: Yesterday at 07:28:34 AM »
Hi Norma

Fantastic Looking pizza as always  :chef:

I have a silly question which has been intriguing me quite a lot every time I look at the way you keep your dough. I notice that you pile your dough on top of each other and this could affect the shape of the dough ball before you stretch. I personally found that if your dough ball is round then your final Pizza ends up more round than oblong.

My question is does piling your dough one on top of the other in your fridge have any effect on the final shape of your Pizza?

Thanks
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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1667 on: Yesterday at 07:59:13 AM »
Norma, I'm glad to see you have the fridge temps under control. Your pies look very nice as usual.

Roy

Roy,

I will see if the dough stays under control when the temperatures at market get warmer.  Those really hot temperatures always have me concerned.  When I was really busy making whole pies and slice pies early last evening I had sweat running into my eyes.  I almost could not see what I was doing.   :-D

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Re: More flavour in dough
« Reply #1668 on: Yesterday at 08:06:54 AM »
Hi Norma

Fantastic Looking pizza as always  :chef:

I have a silly question which has been intriguing me quite a lot every time I look at the way you keep your dough. I notice that you pile your dough on top of each other and this could affect the shape of the dough ball before you stretch. I personally found that if your dough ball is round then your final Pizza ends up more round than oblong.

My question is does piling your dough one on top of the other in your fridge have any effect on the final shape of your Pizza?

Thanks

Mo,

Thanks!  No question is silly.  Usually the doughs that are piled top of one another don't affect the shape of the pizza, but occasionally it does happen.  When pressing on the dough balls I try to make sure the places on the bottom of the dough ball, that might be misshapen, are given special attention to try to make sure the skins are as even as I can get them.  I wish I could use regular dough trays for the dough balls but there is no way I could fit them into the prep fridge or the deli case.  Most of the time the pies aren't perfectly round.

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