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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #325 on: December 25, 2013, 08:27:19 AM »
I purchased the extra bearing before I finished the 160+ page post on the BS - I agree, if you move the collar down you really don't need the additional bearing. I installed mine since I had it already, seems to work great - I also found this lube - it was advertised to be food safe and handle 600 degrees plus.

BTW, I recommend you upgrade the collar set screw, mine snapped and it was no fun cutting off the collar since it has limited access when installed below the top shelf....


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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #326 on: December 25, 2013, 11:31:44 AM »
I purchased the extra bearing before I finished the 160+ page post on the BS - I agree, if you move the collar down you really don't need the additional bearing. I installed mine since I had it already, seems to work great - I also found this lube - it was advertised to be food safe and handle 600 degrees plus.

BTW, I recommend you upgrade the collar set screw, mine snapped and it was no fun cutting off the collar since it has limited access when installed below the top shelf....


I saw your original post and looked for the lube you posted but couldn't find it.  I also saw the set screw mod you did.  Thank you for that.   I went to Home Depot and got the same set screws you used.  Definately a most do in my opinion.  Much easier to use than the small set screw provited.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #327 on: December 25, 2013, 01:59:25 PM »
I picked up the super lube at Amazon, I plan to use it on my slicer as well -- glad I could help, have a great Xmas!

http://www.amazon.com/Synthetic-Grease-Syncolon-Purpose-Lubricant/dp/B000XBH9HI/?tag=pizzamaking-20

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #328 on: December 25, 2013, 07:02:29 PM »
I looked for it on amazon but couldnt find it. Thanks fir the link.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #329 on: December 25, 2013, 09:04:20 PM »
I never bought the extra bushing, just used the collar on the bearing in the BS,  but went looking for high temp food safe grease a while ago, and the best I could find was Ultra Lube H1  the flash point is listed at 583F  http://www.ultralube.com/Products/H1FoodGradeProducts/H1FoodGradeChainCableLube

Amazon carries it in a spray bottle

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0041S02T6/?tag=pizzamaking-20

and also in a grease cartridge
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041S1OUM/?tag=pizzamaking-20

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #330 on: December 27, 2013, 08:17:08 AM »
Just to summarize

  •   The bearing in the photo is intended to be pressed into the lower (bottom) shelf and you won't be able to see it unless you crane your neck or get under the oven and look up.
  •   Communist chose a novel method of mounting the collar w/ the set screw between the upper and lower shelves.  In his implementation, the collar rests on the bearing on the lower shelf.  The good news about that is that there is less rotating friction because the bearings w/ collars are more efficient than bushings w/ collars.  The bad news is that one needs to remove the collar to remove the platter.






Pls correct if I misunderstood or misstated the situation.

Dave


Just to confirm.  My oven came with the bearing installed on the lower shelf.  Is that where I want it?  This is a picture of it upside/down (of course now the bottom shelf is the top shelf in the picture)


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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #331 on: December 27, 2013, 08:44:37 AM »
yes, that is correct

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #332 on: December 27, 2013, 09:05:46 AM »

Just to confirm.  My oven came with the bearing installed on the lower shelf.  Is that where I want it?  This is a picture of it upside/down (of course now the bottom shelf is the top shelf in the picture)


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I don't think there is a choice....that thing is welded in there if I'm not mistaken. Now all you need do is flip grill back over and put BUSHING(the thing with the set screw)right on top of that BEARING , hold your platter up so it's not rubbing on the frame and then tighten the set screw and you're done screwing around.

It's a grill not a rocket ship....some people are waaay over thinking this and causing confusion, imho.
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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #333 on: December 27, 2013, 01:33:19 PM »

It's a grill not a rocket ship....some people are waaay over thinking this and causing confusion, imho.
The confusion results from most people not seeing the bearing on the lower steel shelf, and difficulty adjusting the bushing while it and your hand is between the two steel shelves.  Initially, it looks pretty simple to adjust, that is the bushing rides on the top shelf.  I did this for a few months.  The Blackstone people said that was OK.  Members here ordered bearings for the top shelf, but someone before me discovered that a bearing already installed on the lower shelf.  No real need for an extra bushing, but whatever you want to do for a good pie is allright with me.  Mark


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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #334 on: December 27, 2013, 01:44:28 PM »
All the information is right here...that's how I found out to simply put the BUSHING right on top of the lower BEARING(once I weeded out/ through all this other "info").  ;)
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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #335 on: January 10, 2014, 04:53:56 PM »
    Great looking pies Norma.  Here's what I *think* I'm doing that contributes to the type of leoparding/blistering/warts(!) that I'm getting.  I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to get there, but for me:

    • longish fermentation times - 30-50 hours
    • fermentation at room temp, not in fridge
    • if anything, I'm often slightly on the side of underfermented rather than over
    • sourdough - not yeast as leaven
    • careful handling of the cornicione when stretching
    • balls are risen in trays, not in containers.  I think this affects the surface of the cornicione, the sides of the ball are not rising against plastic
    • pie size is 10" to 11", this makes a difference because the cornicione gets more time in the hot zone than a larger pie, all else being equal
    • very intense heat when baking:
      • turn the BS up to MAX for the entire bake - I bring the flame back down between bakes and the stone temp comes down to mid 700s
      • using a deflector
      • and if there's any "secret" to what I do, it might be this: during the bake I continually shuffle the pie so that the edge is always coming through under the deflector - I'm repeatedly shuffling the pie to the back-right of the stone, the pie never sits still or gets a chance to come around the front to the cold side - diagram below
    Hope some of this helps.  These are definitely not rules that I follow, just a few things I'm aware of that are usually part of what I do.

Thanks Dylan.  Your suggestions are very helpful.  I've tried much of what is on you list but the big standout (for me) is in the room-temp rise - never done that.  I am a bit of a master of the DylanShuffletm. It helps to have a rotisserie that spins the stone Left-to-Right as viewed from the front opening so it is easy to see when the rim in near the flame.

If you develop any another great moves or artistic warts, we'll be watching.
Dave

OK, super easy mod to change rotation.
BS motor is a simple DC unit, that is why it comes with a DC converter. All you need to do is change the polarity to the motor. If you want to get fancy you can open the motor case up and switch the 2 lead in wires...you'll have to use a soldering gun.

Bob's easy peazzy, down an dirty hack is to simply cut the cord on the AC adapter....you will see a black wire and a red wire....switch these, red to black, black to red.  A couple mini wire nuts and a wrap in electrical tape and you're in binnezz.  8)

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #336 on: January 10, 2014, 06:00:43 PM »
OK, super easy mod to change rotation.
BS motor is a simple DC unit, that is why it comes with a DC converter. All you need to do is change the polarity to the motor. If you want to get fancy you can open the motor case up and switch the 2 lead in wires...you'll have to use a soldering gun.

Bob's easy peazzy, down an dirty hack is to simply cut the cord on the AC adapter....you will see a black wire and a red wire....switch these, red to black, black to red.  A couple mini wire nuts and a wrap in electrical tape and you're in binnezz.  8)

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Good add Bob.  I was so focused on getting to a reliable HD rotisserie turning CCW, that I didn't think to mod the stock DC unit.  For those motivated, here is an "instructable" using a rocker switch to select either rotation.
http://www.instructables.com/id/HOW-TO%3A-Wire-a-DPDT-rocker-switch-for-reversing-po/
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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #337 on: January 10, 2014, 06:39:12 PM »
Nice trick Bob!!

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Pictures of Collar on Lower Bearing
« Reply #338 on: February 24, 2014, 09:52:47 AM »
If you decide to be adventurous and put the shaft collar on the lower bearing, the following pictures may make installation a little easier.

The first picture shows a piece of the styrofoam broken from the stone packaging in the Blackstone shipping box used as a height adjustment.

The second picture shows the collar on the lower bearing.

The third pictures shows that if you put a light on the tray, there is a view through the thin wall tubing hole.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #339 on: February 24, 2014, 10:09:14 AM »
As always...very nice Dave.  :chef:
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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #340 on: February 24, 2014, 11:20:18 AM »
I purchased a bearing and I put the bearing and the collar on the lower shelf above the Black stone bearing. If I put very little pressure on my stone it will stop.
Say if  when I slide a peel under the pizza it will stop and start up once I get the peel out.

Not sure if I should be concerned or just let it go. I would think I could put a little pressure on the stone and it wouldn't stop.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #341 on: February 24, 2014, 11:25:18 AM »
I purchased a bearing and I put the bearing and the collar on the lower shelf above the Black stone bearing. If I put very little pressure on my stone it will stop.
Say if  when I slide a peel under the pizza it will stop and start up once I get the peel out.

Not sure if I should be concerned or just let it go. I would think I could put a little pressure on the stone and it wouldn't stop.
j, mine does the same thing. Think it's just from a little bit of "slop" or play in the cheap motor mechanism. I think we'll be fine as long as you don't try to purposely "hold" the platter until you hear those cheap gears snap and grind.  ;D

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #342 on: February 24, 2014, 11:31:27 AM »
j, mine does the same thing. Think it's just from a little bit of "slop" or play in the cheap motor mechanism. I think we'll be fine as long as you don't try to purposely "hold" the platter until you hear those cheap gears snap and grind.  ;D

Bob

Thanks. It's been doing it for awhile. I figured maybe best not mess with it since it works when pizza is just sitting on it.

I do have a D.O. A. unit at home. Platter shaft is so tight to get through both holes. I can lift the unit up when trying to take the platter out.

Any ides if that is fixable? I would love to have a spare base unit.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #343 on: February 24, 2014, 11:58:17 AM »
Thanks. It's been doing it for awhile. I figured maybe best not mess with it since it works when pizza is just sitting on it.

I do have a D.O. A. unit at home. Platter shaft is so tight to get through both holes. I can lift the unit up when trying to take the platter out.

Any ides if that is fixable? I would love to have a spare base unit.
Not sure j...I just went out and looked at mine and as you know it's kinda hard to see anything inside there. I can see welds on the top bushing and can only assume the bottom one is fastened in the same manner. If your "bind" is coming from a misalignment of these two bushings I'm surprised you are even able to get platter shaft down through these to mate up with the motor.

You could maybe get away with simply drilling out the top bushing with a very large drill bit to open up a lil slack. Other wise I'm afraid you are looking at some metal fabing...cutting loose the welds on one of the bushings to bring into alignment and then re tack welding it at it's new location. Sorry.  :(

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« Reply #344 on: February 24, 2014, 12:03:12 PM »
Not sure j...I just went out and looked at mine and as you know it's kinda hard to see anything inside there. I can see welds on the top bushing and can only assume the bottom one is fastened in the same manner. If your "bind" is coming from a misalignment of these two bushings I'm surprised you are even able to get platter shaft down through these to mate up with the motor.

You could maybe get away with simply drilling out the top bushing with a very large drill bit to open up a lil slack. Other wise I'm afraid you are looking at some metal fabing...cutting loose the welds on one of the bushings to bring into alignment and then re tack welding it at it's new location. Sorry.  :(

Bob

Thanks for input.

I have s few friends in sheet metal field. They fabricate and build stuff. Sounds like something I may have one of them see if they can do something.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #345 on: February 24, 2014, 03:46:25 PM »
Not sure j...I just went out and looked at mine and as you know it's kinda hard to see anything inside there. I can see welds on the top bushing and can only assume the bottom one is fastened in the same manner. If your "bind" is coming from a misalignment of these two bushings I'm surprised you are even able to get platter shaft down through these to mate up with the motor.

You could maybe get away with simply drilling out the top bushing with a very large drill bit to open up a lil slack. Other wise I'm afraid you are looking at some metal fabing...cutting loose the welds on one of the bushings to bring into alignment and then re tack welding it at it's new location. Sorry.  :(

Bob

Good advice Bob and thanks for the kind comments.  Another trick that might work is to use a large round file and work it carefully at an angle to take the edge off both sides of the upper bushing.  Or maybe you have a dremel with a grind wheel that fits inside the bushing.  Either method should help significantly since you are apparently able to insert the shaft.

Pls don't misunderstand, I'm not recommending that you fix factory problems, unless you want to.  Most owners should request Blackstone to make it right. 

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« Reply #346 on: February 24, 2014, 07:37:21 PM »
Good advice Bob and thanks for the kind comments.  Another trick that might work is to use a large round file and work it carefully at an angle to take the edge off both sides of the upper bushing.  Or maybe you have a dremel with a grind wheel that fits inside the bushing.  Either method should help significantly since you are apparently able to insert the shaft.

Pls don't misunderstand, I'm not recommending that you fix factory problems, unless you want to.  Most owners should request Blackstone to make it right. 

Dave
Thanks for the info Dave. I did get a replacement base from B.S.  They told me to throw away the D.O.A. unit. 

I have to take some time some weekend to look at it.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #347 on: February 24, 2014, 08:24:19 PM »
Good advice Bob and thanks for the kind comments.  Another trick that might work is to use a large round file and work it carefully at an angle to take the edge off both sides of the upper bushing.  Or maybe you have a dremel with a grind wheel that fits inside the bushing.  Either method should help significantly since you are apparently able to insert the shaft.

Pls don't misunderstand, I'm not recommending that you fix factory problems, unless you want to.  Most owners should request Blackstone to make it right. 

Dave

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« Reply #348 on: March 01, 2014, 11:55:26 PM »
I got my original oven working today. I found a post but I can't remember who posted the info about the two holes not lining up.

I put the shaft down through the first hold and pulled the platter towards me. Then it was to got through the upper and lower hole with no issues. Now it spins free.

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Re: Blackstone Mods and Adjustments
« Reply #349 on: March 02, 2014, 08:10:16 AM »
I got my original oven working today. I found a post but I can't remember who posted the info about the two holes not lining up.

I put the shaft down through the first hold and pulled the platter towards me. Then it was to got through the upper and lower hole with no issues. Now it spins free.
Good Score jsperk.  I thought that trick might work.  Time for pizza!

BTW, I don't remember who had that idea either.

Dave


 

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