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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2013, 11:04:47 AM »
Just a little food for thought on IDY v ADY. IDY is best suited for doughs which need to be ready in a hurry, that's the whole idea behind instant yeast, fast action. In a dough which will be cold ferment for a period of time, IDY really isn't necessary, and ADY might actually be a better choice. Both will work, I've used both, but lately I have returned to using ADY for all my doughs which will cold ferment over days, and that includes my NY style pizza doughs. ADY will not proof as quickly, and since quick proofing is not needed in a long cold ferment, I think that using ADY makes more sense. Just my thought, you're free to do as you see fit. :angel:
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What you say about IDY and ADY for cold fermented doughs is not out of order, at least not from the perspective of the folks who make yeast products. See, for example, Reply 13 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,10707.msg95811.html#msg95811.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2013, 11:23:11 AM »

Baking tonight?

I intended to bake it last night,  but I just did not have the energy to do it.  My wife is gone and I have the kiddies on my own. She is back tonight, so maybe when I get home.  If not tonight, I think I am looking at a re-ball.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2013, 11:35:04 AM »
Just a little food for thought on IDY v ADY. IDY is best suited for doughs which need to be ready in a hurry, that's the whole idea behind instant yeast, fast action. In a dough which will be cold ferment for a period of time, IDY really isn't necessary, and ADY might actually be a better choice. Both will work, I've used both, but lately I have returned to using ADY for all my doughs which will cold ferment over days, and that includes my NY style pizza doughs. ADY will not proof as quickly, and since quick proofing is not needed in a long cold ferment, I think that using ADY makes more sense. Just my thought, you're free to do as you see fit. :angel:

Yes but in the big scope of things...among all the variables one has to worry about, while true, it makes very little difference in which you choose.   And IDY doesn't necessarily have to work "instantly" either depending on the amount used and water temperature.   I would use whichever I had on hand and not worry about going out of my way to find one or the other regardless of length of fermentation time. 

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2013, 01:33:28 PM »
looks fantastic. i like the nice golden/browing. sometimes people I serve (wife & kids) like it this way, over the char that I tend to look for.
the preferement is a great method. I will try your formulation, using KAAP....

My wife grew up in Mamaroneck NY, & when I bake pies like this, she says they remind her of Sal's, which is mentioned in Ed Levine's book....

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Not sure if you saw or not but the revised (IDY) yeast amount is .5%.  Reply back with your KAAP attempt.  I have done this with KABF and it turns out pretty good as well.  Post pics if u can.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 01:36:23 PM »
I intended to bake it last night,  but I just did not have the energy to do it.  My wife is gone and I have the kiddies on my own. She is back tonight, so maybe when I get home.  If not tonight, I think I am looking at a re-ball.

How is the dough looking?
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2013, 01:43:51 PM »
How is the dough looking?

It was looking a bit underfermented yesterday, but a couple hours on the counter may have fixed that.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2013, 10:11:35 AM »
It was looking a bit underfermented yesterday, but a couple hours on the counter may have fixed that.


So how did it turn out?  Give the correct formulation a try again.  I still feel bad for messing up that IDY %.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2013, 10:39:03 AM »
No worries. Life got in the way last night, though the dough looked about perfect. I am going to bake it tonight, hopefully it is not over blown.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2013, 08:28:16 AM »
Made the pies last night.  The dough was extremely easy to open - probably the result of its 4 days in the fridge.  I baked it in the Blackstone.  I did not get the sort of micro blistering you got. The crumb was very good,  except where I had man handled it. Overall,  I would say the crust did have more flavor than my regular recipe. I am not sure what role the preferment plays in that versus the longer than usual rise.  I'd say it was definitely worth a second try.  Thanks.


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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2013, 01:25:07 PM »
Made the pies last night.  The dough was extremely easy to open - probably the result of its 4 days in the fridge.  I baked it in the Blackstone.  I did not get the sort of micro blistering you got. The crumb was very good,  except where I had man handled it. Overall,  I would say the crust did have more flavor than my regular recipe. I am not sure what role the preferment plays in that versus the longer than usual rise.  I'd say it was definitely worth a second try.  Thanks.

Yes give it another shot.  Keep an eye on that dough.  It ferments real fast.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2013, 10:03:46 AM »
So, the actual recipe for this pizza is as follows (please correct me if I'm wrong):

100% - Hi Gluten Flour
58.2% - Water
2% - Salt, olive oil and sugar
.5% - IDY

What thickness factor do you use?

I really like the look of the pizzas baked with this recipe and want to give it a try with a steel plate bake.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2013, 08:43:17 PM »
So, the actual recipe for this pizza is as follows (please correct me if I'm wrong):

100% - Hi Gluten Flour
58.2% - Water
2% - Salt, olive oil and sugar
.5% - IDY

What thickness factor do you use?

I really like the look of the pizzas baked with this recipe and want to give it a try with a steel plate bake.

Yes. .08 TF
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2013, 10:47:23 PM »
Trying your preferment again today. Do you find the dough is a bit stickier when made this way when you go to ball it? Also, what does your preferment look like and what consistency is it after it sits for 12 hours?

These are my little babies heading to the cooler. :)
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2013, 12:03:02 PM »
Slybarman,

I like the plastic containers that you are letting your dough rise is.  Do you know the brand of the containers and where you purchased them?

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2013, 01:02:39 PM »
1/2 are ziploc brand and 1/2 are store brand. All from the local grocery store. Punch a pinhole in the lid to let the gasses out  or the lids will pop off.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2013, 02:06:26 PM »
Awesome.  Gonna have quite the pizza party I see :)
Yes it is a sticky dough (62% hydration?).  What flour did you go with?  After 12hours my preferment is pretty bubbly on top but there will be some water beneath too.  Keep your eye on them in the fridge.  They take off real fast.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2013, 02:07:06 PM »
1/2 are ziploc brand and 1/2 are store brand. All from the local grocery store. Punch a pinhole in the let to let the gasses out our the lids will pop off.

I use the exact same ones.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2013, 03:39:15 PM »
Awesome.  Gonna have quite the pizza party I see :)
Yes it is a sticky dough (62% hydration?).  What flour did you go with?  After 12hours my preferment is pretty bubbly on top but there will be some water beneath too.  Keep your eye on them in the fridge.  They take off real fast.
When you say 62% are you factoring in the oil? Water alone you were at 58% I believe?
I used 75% all trumps bromated and 25% KAAP. I used water = 59%

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2013, 05:21:13 PM »
When you say 62% are you factoring in the oil? Water alone you were at 58% I believe?
I used 75% all trumps bromated and 25% KAAP. I used water = 59%

Yes you are right.  Sorry I was thinking before when I was using AT or bread flour I was doing 62% plus the oil.  The preferment shouldn't make the dough any stickier I don't think unless you are used to using cold water vs room temp water.  The weather perhaps?
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2013, 01:46:13 PM »
I use the exact same ones.
I determined that those were the Large bowl 7 cup Ziploc variety.  I couldn't find them locally, but I got a good deal online.  I am going to try the pizza soon.  I will be using All Trumps flour and cooking it on a 1/2" metal plate.  I'm curious to see how it turns out!

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2013, 05:14:00 PM »
PLans got shuffled a bit and pizza will have to be tomorrow night instead of tonight. The dough is pretty active though and I am afraid it might be overblown by tomorrow. Y'all think I should reball it now or just leave it?




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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2013, 07:43:13 PM »
It should be ok for 36-48hrs.  Huge flavor diff.  Save a few for tomorrow at least.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2013, 04:58:43 PM »
Good results with this dough. Was airy and had good flavor.  By the time I opened the fifth one it was on the verge of being over-blown. I did not use the sixth and I might reball it for later in the week.  This is will be my go-to dough going forward. Thanks.

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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2013, 11:12:47 PM »
Good results with this dough. Was airy and had good flavor.  By the time I opened the fifth one it was on the verge of being over-blown. I did not use the sixth and I might reball it for later in the week.  This is will be my go-to dough going forward. Thanks.

Glad u had great results!  This is a really good dough.  Try dialing that yeast back by 1/4 on your next attention.  Keep poolish yeast amount the same but decrease the final yeast.  The flavor gets even better at 48hrs.

I have one more formulation to try if you like.  It is the one Scott123 uses.
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Re: Tonight's pie was a winner
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2013, 08:16:08 AM »
I will be curious to see how the last dough ball that I reballed last night is going to be when I use it tomorrow.

Yes,  please pass along another recipe of you have one.


 

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