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Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« on: August 03, 2013, 06:05:47 AM »
I've been having good results in my Neo or NY style doughs, but dressing them and getting them to the baking surface comes in question, I've tried Semolina and just flour on my metal peal to relieve surface tension and then add ingredients to dough. However, each of them when it hits the hot surface will take on the most heat and will be first to char or burn that can impart flavor to the underside of the dough. I would think I would want to minimize the effect and have the dough deliver most of the flavor and not be so heavily influenced by flour underneath. Thoughts?


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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 07:39:33 AM »
Launch using a wood peel- it produces far less surface tension.

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 08:50:47 AM »
Launch using a wood peel- it produces far less surface tension.
^^^  Also, as weird as it may sound, Wondra is terrific for a peel dusting medium.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 10:15:25 AM »
I suggest a perforated metal peel. The bench or peel flour can be encouraged to fall thru the holes before launch. It works great , assuming you remember that final step. :(


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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 02:38:33 PM »
^^^  Also, as weird as it may sound, Wondra is terrific for a peel dusting medium.
+1 Wondra  ^^^
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 03:48:57 PM »
Launch using a wood peel- it produces far less surface tension.

+1. Wood peel + semolina makes it very stress free

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 04:10:26 PM »
^^^  Also, as weird as it may sound, Wondra is terrific for a peel dusting medium.

i'm going to try that next time
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 05:58:50 PM »
I use rice flour on a wooden peel.  It acts very well to prevent sticking and make the launch easier.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 06:00:33 PM »
I use rice flour on a wooden peel.  It acts very well to prevent sticking and make the launch easier.


I use rice flour too on the wooden peel.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 06:22:23 PM »
wooden peel, just plain old flour, I'm old school! ::)
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 06:51:26 PM »
wooden peel, just plain old flour, I'm old school! ::)

I'm plain old flour as well. I tried semolina and found it gritty.  Now, it might have been the brand of semolina I purchased (I bought it at an Indian grocer), but, right now, I'm sticking with flour.

At some point, if I can find a source for truly fresh sesame seeds, I might try grinding those up. I might give panko a shot also.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 06:55:27 PM »
Dough on its contact side to the base when baked well, has a look. Apart from the taste, what happens in that short amount of time when heat meets that vulnerable surface is dependant on time, temp, and anything that is in between. It is where the "rubber meets the road." The most neutral tasting, anti-gravitational agent to allow quick and accurate delivery of the base element is crucial. Traditional flour, Rice flour, Semolina, Wondra? 

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2013, 07:40:40 PM »
Roman,

I also use regular flours at home and only use rice flour at market because I found it works well there. 

Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor posted at Reply 17 about what he does and what flours he uses.  http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,23324.msg236800.html#msg236800 

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2013, 08:14:04 PM »
wooden peel, just plain old flour, I'm old school! ::)
That works best for me too
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2013, 10:24:11 PM »
Slotted peel and the same flour as is in your dough is the best solution.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2013, 11:23:52 PM »
Slotted peel and the same flour as is in your dough is the best solution.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2013, 11:40:15 PM »
No matter what material you use, it is best not to have it remain on the bottom of the pie while it sits on a hot stone. Seems to me.


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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2013, 08:17:13 AM »
Dough on its contact side to the base when baked well, has a look. Apart from the taste, what happens in that short amount of time when heat meets that vulnerable surface is dependant on time, temp, and anything that is in between. It is where the "rubber meets the road." The most neutral tasting, anti-gravitational agent to allow quick and accurate delivery of the base element is crucial. Traditional flour, Rice flour, Semolina, Wondra?
I think any type of light "powdery" flour, rubbed into a wood peel and then peel flipped upside down and given a slap with hand on clean side will provide the best non stick with least residual on your under crust surface. But getting your bench flour off the stretched dough first is most all important.

And just before launching don't forget to do the Bobby bump.
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2013, 11:36:03 PM »
I saw what TscarBorough said about a slotted peel. Did you mean a peel that's sort of perforated? My friend has one for pizza that's metal and from Italy. It was the one specific for pizza. The solid surface one was for bread.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2013, 03:54:57 AM »
I saw what TscarBorough said about a slotted peel. Did you mean a peel that's sort of perforated? My friend has one for pizza that's metal and from Italy. It was the one specific for pizza. The solid surface one was for bread.

There are perforated ones, and there are slotted ones(big slot like "perforations". Sort of like a "slotted spoon"). I imagine the slotted ones are more evolved versions(even less surface area to stick to).
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2013, 12:34:36 AM »
I use tinfoil.  I can take my time building the pizza and with it on foil it slips right off every time.

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2013, 09:22:00 AM »
But getting your bench flour off the stretched dough first is most all important.


What method do you use to get the bench flour off the dough?

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2013, 08:21:30 AM »
What method do you use to get the bench flour off the dough?
I don't use a real soft/slack dough and stretch it out still cool/cold so it is a pretty strong(easily tossed)dough....just give it a good shake while it's laid across the back of my hands to get the flour off.

Hey Steve, I think I may have discovered(by accident)an amazing new peel dusting agent....you'll think I'm nuts; it's baby food, specifically, rice cereal. The stuff is slicker than powdered graphite and sort of just dissolves away when you rub it between your fingers but leaves them slicker than a bugs ear! Have you ever heard of using this....I haven't tried it under a pizza yet(diet restricts much pizza making lately)but I sure am going to try it.
You won't believe how slick that stuff is.   :chef:
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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2013, 01:35:08 PM »
Hey Steve, I think I may have discovered(by accident)an amazing new peel dusting agent....you'll think I'm nuts; it's baby food, specifically, rice cereal. The stuff is slicker than powdered graphite and sort of just dissolves away when you rub it between your fingers but leaves them slicker than a bugs ear! Have you ever heard of using this....I haven't tried it under a pizza yet(diet restricts much pizza making lately)but I sure am going to try it.
You won't believe how slick that stuff is.   :chef:

Does you diet happen to be baby food?  That's rough...  ;)

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Re: Sliding pizza from peal to hot surface
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2013, 03:06:34 PM »
Does you diet happen to be baby food?  That's rough...  ;)
Haha!  ;D   Things haven't gotten quite that bad....yet.  :(
For a while I have to feed my gf's cat pieces of cooked chicken mixed with baby rice cereal. The little rat won't eat just regular plain rice with the chicken so I came up with the idea about the cereal.....man that stuff is slippery, try it!  :chef:
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