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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #125 on: February 15, 2014, 07:33:38 PM »
Why would frozen be the choice over fresh pies made at the restaurant and the just kept warm in a hot box?
If you are talking about a "restaurant" not located within "The Friendly Confines"......rather, the closest Giordano's to the field, that franchise owner would get the lions share. Not going to happen. Not to mention the logistics would not be feasible.
They'll probably have some walk up stands on the mezzanine's and hawkers with hot boxes out in the stands.
I look forward to my next visit.  8)

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« Reply #126 on: February 15, 2014, 07:58:54 PM »
If you are talking about a "restaurant" not located within "The Friendly Confines"......rather, the closest Giordano's to the field, that franchise owner would get the lions share. Not going to happen. Not to mention the logistics would not be feasible.
They'll probably have some walk up stands on the mezzanine's and hawkers with hot boxes out in the stands.
I look forward to my next visit.  8)

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #127 on: February 17, 2014, 05:24:40 PM »
This is the reply I received from Giordano's.  I had asked if their stuffed crust pizzas were going to be made fresh at Wrigley, or if a nearby Giordano's would be making their stuffed crust pizzas for Wrigley.  I also said I might come to Giordano's some day and try their stuffed crust pizzas.  I wonder how many customer service employees Giordano's has.  I don't think they recalled my questions from before.

Hello Norma!
 
Giordano’s ships their famous stuffed pizzas anywhere within the Continental United States!  Please feel free to call us at 800-982-1756 and one of our representatives will assist you with your order!

Our Guests have five (5) stuffed  pizzas they can choose from to ship nationwide!  Selections include our very popular Stuffed Cheese, Stuffed Sausage, Stuffed Pepperoni, Stuffed Spinach or Stuffed Veggie (Mushrooms, Onions, and Green Peppers). You can mix and match pizzas as you prefer.  For shipping, we offer packages of two or four pizzas.  All package pricing includes shipping charges for two day delivery via FedEx.  Now remember:  Each Giordano’s 10” stuffed pizza serves two to three person(s), so order accordingly – I guarantee you’ll want enough for leftovers.

As you may have read, Giordano’s is the “Official Pizza of the Chicago Cubs” and will be served at Wrigley Field for fans to enjoy! Although still in the planning stages, Giordano’s current plans are to bake on site.
 
I hope I was able to answer your question(s).

Thank you for contacting Giordano’s!

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #128 on: February 17, 2014, 11:01:18 PM »
Looks like robots.  Either way, "baked on site" means "from frozen."

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« Reply #129 on: February 18, 2014, 12:45:46 PM »
Following up on my post at Reply 103 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=29776.msg301942;topicseen#msg301942, this past Friday I decided to send an email to the foodservice division of Ceresota to see if someone there could tell me whether Giordano's was still using the Ceresota flour. My email was fairly comprehensive and discussed not only Giordano's past use of the Ceresota flour but also the issue of the expression of "high gluten" or "higher gluten" in the context of an all-purpose flour. I also mentioned the two foodservice companies, Greco & Sons and Tardella Foods, that have sold things to Giordano's. This morning, I got the following reply:

Peter,

Thank you for your interest in Ceresota Flour.
 
Yes, at one time Giordano’s used Ceresota Flour.  However, a number of year ago (I do not know how many) Giordano’s was sold and the new owners went away from Ceresota Flour at that time.  I have no knowledge what flour they are currently using; whether it is or is not Ceresota.  I sell through the distributors, Greco and Sons in my largest distributor in the greater Chicagoland area.  I have no knowledge of the distributor’s customer base, unless for some reason an end-user has contacted me either through their distributor or directly.     
 
Ceresota is still the primary “pizza flour” in the greater Chicago area.   As recent as October 2013 Tom Lehmann, Director at the American Institute of Baking and referred to as “The Dough Doctor”, a regular contributor to “Pizza Today” magazine, wrote an article entitled “Hometown Battle” regarding Chicago as best known for its deep-dish pizza and stated Ceresota flour is typically used in making this type of crust.
 
You are also correct in there can be a lot of misunderstanding of the term high gluten flour.  A common regular all-purpose flour will usually have an 8-9 percent protein content.  Ceresota averages 11.5 – 12 percent.  Therefore, someone who formerly used or tried a lower protein flour would consider Ceresota high gluten, and comparatively it is.  However, protein content in flours can go as high as 14 percent; usually 14 percent flour is used for crackers and a “cracker thin pizza crust” more of a New York style pizza – very thin, very crispy.
 
I hope this helps answer your questions.  Additionally, in the article by Mr. Lehmann he gave a formulation for making the Chicago Style Pizza Crust.
 
Best regards,
 
Judi Rasmussen
Sales Manager / Food Service


So, the question still remains open but there is also the possibility that a flour other than the Ceresota flour is being used by Giordano's.

For those who are interested, Tom's article that Ms. Rasmussen mentioned can be read at http://www.pizzatoday.com/departments/in-the-kitchen/dough-doctor-tom-lehmann-explores-chicago-thick-and-thin-crust-pizzas/.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #130 on: February 18, 2014, 02:11:22 PM »
That was a great reply she sent you, Peter.  Always nice to see someone passionate about their work.

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« Reply #131 on: February 18, 2014, 03:29:23 PM »
After my last post, I decided to send another email, this time to Greco & Sons. The content was an abbreviated version of the email that I sent to Ceresota. Shortly after dispatching the email, I received the following reply:

Peter,
Greco and Sons does not or has in the past sold flour directly to Giordano’s, as Giordano corp has their own commissary that the product is being produced and distributed to the individual stores.  So we are not familiar with the current flour that they are using.  But similar deep dish operators here in the Chicago market place, I can tell you are using Cerasota Flour for their deep dish pizzas.
 
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Of the names we know, maybe Tardella Foods is the supplier of flour to Giordano's or maybe Giordano's deals directly with a milller.

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« Reply #132 on: February 19, 2014, 08:04:50 PM »
Today, I happened upon a court document, at http://www.kccllc.net/giordanos/document/1106098110317000000000003, that listed the top thirty creditors in the Giordano's bankruptcy proceeding. I had seen the top four creditors (Saputo, Greco & Sons, Heinz, and Tardella Foods) in other court filings, but the fifth name on the list, Columbus Food Company, was a name that I had not seen before. So, I did a Google search and found the company at http://www.columbusvegoils.com/. As can be seen at that link, Columbus Food Company sells vegetable oils and related products like shortening (but not margarine products). One of the Columbus oils is soybean oil, which is the oil that Giordano's has told us is used to make their dough for stuffed pizza. Soybean oil is listed in the Columbus pdf document at http://www.columbusvegoils.com/site/files/986/147088/487978/677635/Product_List_-_Columbus_Vegetable_Oils.pdf.

Having identified Columbus, I then decided to see what oils Greco & Sons carries, if any. As can be seen at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?offset=0&limit=100&col=item_no&dir=ASC&terms=oil&queryCol=, Greco & Sons carries two soybean oils. And both are identified as Columbus products. So, it is likely that, at least at the time of the Giordano's bankruptcy proceedings, Giordano's was using soybean oil from Columbus. As best I can tell from the Tardella Foods website, they do not stock vegetable oils.

I also looked into some of the other food/pizza related creditors in the list referenced above. I did not see anything to suggest sources of ingredients used to make pizza dough. However, one interesting name on the creditors list is Periship. As can be seen from the Periship website at http://www2.periship.com/, that company provides solutions for shipping perishable foods. Most likely Giordano's uses Periship to help them devise solutions for shipping their mail-order pizzas.

While I was at the Greco & Sons website, I decided to check to see if they carry sugar products, since sugar is one of the ingredients used to make the dough for the stuffed Giordano's pizzas. As can be seen at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?terms=sugar, they do. They also sell salt, as noted at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?terms=salt.

All of the fingers seem to point to Greco & Sons as a supplier of many of Giordano's ingredient needs. The fact that Greco & Sons was the second largest credirtor claimant in the Giordano's bankruptcy proceeding seems to support this suspicion on my part. 

One of the remaining open questions is the flour now used by Giordano's and from which miller.

The plot thickens.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2014, 09:56:41 PM »
Today, I happened upon a court document, at http://www.kccllc.net/giordanos/document/1106098110317000000000003, that listed the top thirty creditors in the Giordano's bankruptcy proceeding. I had seen the top four creditors (Saputo, Greco & Sons, Heinz, and Tardella Foods) in other court filings, but the fifth name on the list, Columbus Food Company, was a name that I had not seen before. So, I did a Google search and found the company at http://www.columbusvegoils.com/. As can be seen at that link, Columbus Food Company sells vegetable oils and related products like shortening (but not margarine products). One of the Columbus oils is soybean oil, which is the oil that Giordano's has told us is used to make their dough for stuffed pizza. Soybean oil is listed in the Columbus pdf document at http://www.columbusvegoils.com/site/files/986/147088/487978/677635/Product_List_-_Columbus_Vegetable_Oils.pdf.

Having identified Columbus, I then decided to see what oils Greco & Sons carries, if any. As can be seen at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?offset=0&limit=100&col=item_no&dir=ASC&terms=oil&queryCol=, Greco & Sons carries two soybean oils. And both are identified as Columbus products. So, it is likely that, at least at the time of the Giordano's bankruptcy proceedings, Giordano's was using soybean oil from Columbus. As best I can tell from the Tardella Foods website, they do not stock vegetable oils.

I also looked into some of the other food/pizza related creditors in the list referenced above. I did not see anything to suggest sources of ingredients used to make pizza dough. However, one interesting name on the creditors list is Periship. As can be seen from the Periship website at http://www2.periship.com/, that company provides solutions for shipping perishable foods. Most likely Giordano's uses Periship to help them devise solutions for shipping their mail-order pizzas.

While I was at the Greco & Sons website, I decided to check to see if they carry sugar products, since sugar is one of the ingredients used to make the dough for the stuffed Giordano's pizzas. As can be seen at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?terms=sugar, they do. They also sell salt, as noted at http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?terms=salt.

All of the fingers seem to point to Greco & Sons as a supplier of many of Giordano's ingredient needs. The fact that Greco & Sons was the second largest credirtor claimant in the Giordano's bankruptcy proceeding seems to support this suspicion on my part. 

One of the remaining open questions is the flour now used by Giordano's and from which miller.

The plot thickens.

Peter

Peter,

I had looked at that same court document when I commented at Reply 110 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=29776.msg301957#msg301957 about the other pizzeria names associated with Giordano's, but did not think to look for another food company that Giordano's might deal with.

Your through investigating is interesting and it also seems to me that Greco & Sons seems to support you suspicions.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #134 on: February 19, 2014, 10:11:49 PM »
Norma,

The court document I cited in my last post is not the same one that prompted you to respond in Reply 110. The court document that I cited today is the first one that I found that listed the top thirty creditors. The media reports tended to mention the top four creditors. After my last post, I found another bankruptcy-related document that listed the dollar amounts owed to all creditors, but there was no point to reference that document since we already knew the major creditors and what they were owed. Columbus was next in line after the big four.

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« Reply #135 on: February 19, 2014, 10:39:06 PM »
Norma,

The court document I cited in my last post is not the same one that prompted you to respond in Reply 110. The court document that I cited today is the first one that I found that listed the top thirty creditors. The media reports tended to mention the top four creditors. After my last post, I found another bankruptcy-related document that listed the dollar amounts owed to all creditors, but there was no point to reference that document since we already knew the major creditors and what they were owed. Columbus was next in line after the big four.

Peter

Thanks Peter for explaining.  I guess you found out if all the creditors were paid.

I saw that after what Giordano's did there was a new Senate Bill 1692 in Illinois to keep other businesses from doing some of the same things Giordano's did.  http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=54414c4a-1e40-4ac0-b226-7c6b001f501b  I guess that doesn't really matter but it must have meant something if Illinois passed a new bill.

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« Reply #136 on: February 20, 2014, 12:32:09 AM »
Peter,

If Giordanos happens to be using vegetable shortening in their dough what would that come up as on the ingredient list?  Soybean oil?
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« Reply #137 on: February 20, 2014, 09:23:44 AM »
Peter,

If Giordanos happens to be using vegetable shortening in their dough what would that come up as on the ingredient list?  Soybean oil?
Nate,

If Giordano's is using vegetable shortening in its dough and calling it soybean oil, it could only be through ignorance or deceit. You might also recall that in a communication with a Muslim Halal group, Giordano's described the oil used in its dough as "100% Pure Soy Vegetable Oil" (see Reply 17 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=29776.msg299626;topicseen#msg299626).

Technically, shortening is a fat that is solid at room temperature (but see more on this below). In the past, shortenings were made by the hydrogenation or partial hydrogenation of oils like soybean oil or cottonseed oil. Those products can still be found at the industrial/professional level but even they are being very quickly replaced by products that are low in Trans Fats, which have become the curse of the fat industry and the target of the FDA and other governmental agencies.

You are highly unlikely to find the old shortening formulations at the retail level. What you are more likely to find are products like Crisco (http://www.crisco.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?GroupID=17&ProdID=803) and Mrs. Tucker's Shortening (http://www.shopwell.com/mrs-tuckers-shortening/shortening/p/6172009948). You will note that these products are not pure oils. They typically include mono- and diglycerides, and antioxidants and other additives. The way that the FDA instructs the fat industry on how to report fats like shortening on labels and ingredients lists is set forth at about the middle of the page at http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=101.4.

If you studied the Columbus products list, you will see that Columbus sells a shortening product called "liquid shortening" (http://www.columbusvegoils.com/site/files/986/126719/424763/677632/Tearsheet_-_Liquid_Shortenings.pdf). The cited pdf document even shows a photo of a pizza. As best I can tell, a liquid shortening is a hybrid between solid shortening and liquid oil, and quite possibly made by using less hydrogenation, oils such as palm oils or palm kernels and/or less emulsifiers, such as the mono- and diglycerides. But the important thing to note is that they are not pure oils. As the cited Columbus pdf document makes clear, additives are used to "increase stability and improve performance".

All that remains for this analysis is the possibility that Giordano's is using fat flakes, since fat flakes tend to be purer products. However, I have seen only one spec sheet on such a product, at http://www.sfm.state.or.us/CR2K_SubDB/MSDS/PHSBO_SOYBEAN_OIL_FLAKES.PDF, and that product--partially hydrogenated soybean oil with citric acid added as a preservative--is not something that I would consider to be "100% Pure Soy Vegetable Oil".

To the above, I would note that Greco & Sons sells shortening products (http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?terms=shortening) but, as a foodservice company with many accounts, there is nothing unusual in that.

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« Reply #138 on: February 20, 2014, 09:57:21 AM »
I perhaps should have noted in my last post that there may be an even easier way to determine whether Giordano's is using shortening in its dough rather than going through the rigorous analysis I did. And that is to send an email to Giordano's. In that email, I would tell them that you are considering buying some of their mail-order pizzas but that you are concerned about Trans Fats being present in fats that are frequently used in doughs used to make pizza, such as shortening and margarine. And I would then ask them if they are using any solid fats like shortening or margarine in their doughs. I could send such an email, as might Norma, but they perhaps already think that we are the most paranoid people on the planet, endlessly wringing our hands over bleached and bromated flours, high gluten flour levels, and, now, Trans Fats :-D. BTW, soybean oil contains some Trans Fats, which is why I would focus more on the solid fats where the Trans Fats are much more a concern these days.

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« Reply #139 on: February 20, 2014, 10:08:35 AM »
I perhaps should have noted in my last post that there may be an even easier way to determine whether Giordano's is using shortening in its dough rather than going through the rigorous analysis I did. And that is to send an email to Giordano's. In that email, I would tell them that you are considering buying some of their mail-order pizzas but that you are concerned about Trans Fats being present in fats that are frequently used in doughs used to make pizza, such as shortening and margarine. And I would then ask them if they are using any solid fats like shortening or margarine in their doughs. I could send such an email, as might Norma, but they perhaps already think that we are the most paranoid people on the planet, endlessly wringing our hands over bleached and bromated flours, high gluten flour levels, and, now, Trans Fats :-D. BTW, soybean oil contains some Trans Fats, which is why I would focus more on the solid fats where the Trans Fats are much more a concern these days.

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You need about 10 alias emails to do the job right.  Haha.
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« Reply #140 on: February 20, 2014, 11:35:19 AM »
I saw that after what Giordano's did there was a new Senate Bill 1692 in Illinois to keep other businesses from doing some of the same things Giordano's did.  http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=54414c4a-1e40-4ac0-b226-7c6b001f501b  I guess that doesn't really matter but it must have meant something if Illinois passed a new bill.
Norma,

There were some pretty weird things that happened in this case, as this brief report makes clear: http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/bankruptcy_of_giordanos_pizza_chain_complicated_by_owners_sovereign_citizen/

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« Reply #141 on: February 20, 2014, 02:45:51 PM »
Norma,

There were some pretty weird things that happened in this case, as this brief report makes clear: http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/bankruptcy_of_giordanos_pizza_chain_complicated_by_owners_sovereign_citizen/

Peter

Thanks for the link about what happened in Giordano's case.  I clicked on the click here in your link to view or post other comments.  It sure did get wacky.  :o

If no one else wants to send another email to Giordano's I will get my daughter's email address and send what you said to ask about their frozen pizzas.  I did contact Ceresota this morning and asked them some questions.

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« Reply #142 on: February 21, 2014, 11:53:22 AM »
In the course of the Giordano's bankruptcy proceedings, the Trustee in bankruptcy was forced to sue certain franchisees because of their failure to pay royalties and because they were using ingredients not authorized by the franchisor (Giordano's). Because these issues were affecting the prospective sale of Giordano's, a settlement was reached with the non-compliant franchisees. I managed to find the court document in which these matters were discussed, at http://www.kccllc.net/giordanos/document/1106098110920000000000010.

There were a few interesting tidbits in the above document that relate to the ingredients and other aspects pertaining to the dough used by the franchisees. For example, at numbered page 13 of the document, the price that Chicagoland franchisees would be charged by the commissary for dough balls was "$7.45 per tray to $7.00 per tray". Apparently, under the settlement agreement, franchisees were given the right, subject to approval by the franchisor, to make their own dough and sauce. But, they would not be allowed to use just any spice packet. They would have to continue to buy the spice packets from the commissary (see numbered pages 13-15 of the above cited document). As previously mentioned, one of the items that Greco & Sons has in its catalog is something called Giordano spices: http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/catalog/item/50582. Earlier in this thread, at Reply 3 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=29776.msg297991#msg297991, the "Sauce Seasoning" for the Giordano's frozen heart-shaped pizza was given simply as "(Salt, Spices, Garlic Powder), Basil". Whether Greco is the supplier of the spice packets is not entirely clear but clearly Giordano's felt that the spice packets were a material component of their sauce and pizzas that they did not want their franchisees to mess with.

In similar vein, it will also be noted that Greco carries spice packs called Connies: http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/search?offset=0&limit=60&col=item_no&dir=ASC&terms=spice&queryCol=. And one for Nancy's: http://net3.necs.com/grecoandsons/catalog/item/70549.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #143 on: February 24, 2014, 08:46:15 PM »
I don't know if this was posted about before or not, but when searching I saw these Giordano's stuffed crust pizzas in this kind of packagings.  http://otherwiseinc.com/Packaging_SignageDesign.aspx?sg=15&wi=163&pgId=1  I don't know if there is an ingredient list on those kind of packagings or not.  I don't know if someone contacted that company saying they might be interested in packaging if the company would send a closer view, or photo of what is on the top part of the frozen pizzas packaging.  This might be the company to contact if this never has been posted before.  http://www.crossovercollective.com/design-services/product-packaging/  Does anyone know if Giordano's still sell their frozen stuffed crust pizzas packaged the way that is show in the photo?
 
My daughter did send Giordano's a message, asking some questions, on their contact page Friday night but did not hear from them yet.

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« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2014, 09:03:57 PM »
Norma,

I did see examples of the packaging used by Giordano's in Google Images but even with amplification of the photos I couldn't tell if ingredients were recited. Since the ingredients list that Nate (pythonic) provided in the opening post in this thread was for a frozen stuffed pizza, I assume that the packaging for all of the Giordano's stuffed pizzas provides ingredients used to make those pizzas. But no Nutrition Facts as yet. Maybe that will follow once Giordano's reaches a sales volume where it is required to provide the Nutrition Facts.

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« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2014, 09:13:52 PM »
Peter,

When does a company have to provide Nutrition Facts for frozen foods that are sold in supermarkets?  That might be a dumb question, but I wonder what sales volume must be met. 

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #146 on: February 24, 2014, 09:57:06 PM »
When does a company have to provide Nutrition Facts for frozen foods that are sold in supermarkets?  That might be a dumb question, but I wonder what sales volume must be met. 
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There are numerous exemptions to providing nutrition labeling of products sold to the public, whether they are sold in supermarkets or via mail-order, as in Giordano's case. Those exemptions are set forth in the FDA CFR document at http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.9. In Giordano's case, they may be relying on the exemptions discussed starting at 21 CFR 101.9(j)(18) in the abovereferenced document. Those exemptions are based on the number of full-time equivalent employees and numbers of units sold in the U.S. during a particular 12-month period. The relevant parts of that document starts with this paragraph, which appears near the bottom of the document:

(18) Food products that are low-volume (that is, they meet the requirements for units sold in paragraphs (j)(18)(i) or (j)(18)(ii) of this section); that, except as provided in paragraph (j)(18)(iv) of this section, are the subject of a claim for an exemption that provides the information required under paragraph (j)(18)(iv) of this section, that is filed before the beginning of the time period for which the exemption is claimed, and that is filed by a person, whether it is the manufacturer, packer, or distributor, that qualifies to claim the exemption under the requirements for average full-time equivalent employees in paragraphs (j)(18)(i) or (j)(18)(ii) of this section; and whose labels, labeling, and advertising do not provide nutrition information or make a nutrient content or health claim.

The actual exemptions are recited in detail after the above paragraph.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #147 on: February 24, 2014, 10:26:23 PM »
Norma,

There are numerous exemptions to providing nutrition labeling of products sold to the public, whether they are sold in supermarkets or via mail-order, as in Giordano's case. Those exemptions are set forth in the FDA CFR document at http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.9. In Giordano's case, they may be relying on the exemptions discussed starting at 21 CFR 101.9(j)(18) in the abovereferenced document. Those exemptions are based on the number of full-time equivalent employees and numbers of units sold in the U.S. during a particular 12-month period. The relevant parts of that document starts with this paragraph, which appears near the bottom of the document:

(18) Food products that are low-volume (that is, they meet the requirements for units sold in paragraphs (j)(18)(i) or (j)(18)(ii) of this section); that, except as provided in paragraph (j)(18)(iv) of this section, are the subject of a claim for an exemption that provides the information required under paragraph (j)(18)(iv) of this section, that is filed before the beginning of the time period for which the exemption is claimed, and that is filed by a person, whether it is the manufacturer, packer, or distributor, that qualifies to claim the exemption under the requirements for average full-time equivalent employees in paragraphs (j)(18)(i) or (j)(18)(ii) of this section; and whose labels, labeling, and advertising do not provide nutrition information or make a nutrient content or health claim.

The actual exemptions are recited in detail after the above paragraph.

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Peter,

Thanks for finding the exemptions set forth the in the FDA CFR document.  It all sounds like a mumbo jumbo to me, but I understand more now.  I look at a lot of Nutrition Facts since being on the forum and thought most frozen products at the supermarket needed Nutrition Facts, but maybe I did not look at enough frozen products.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2014, 10:51:44 PM »
Norma,

Most frozen pizzas sold in supermarkets have Nutrition Facts because the companies behind them are large and have large volumes. Being large isn't always the case, however. For example, Home Run Inn only has a handful of pizzerias but sells millions of dollars worth of frozen pizzas. Giordano's has around 44 pizzerias but maybe not enough frozen pizzas sales to require them to provide nutrition information for those pizzas. But that might change and may be one of the reasons why Giordano's says that it is going to start providing that kind of information sometime soon. But I suspect the new nutrition disclosure regulations out of Washington that apply to restaurants may be a bigger reason.

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Re: Found Giordanos ingredient list (Peter can you look at this?)
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2014, 11:02:06 PM »
Norma,

Most frozen pizzas sold in supermarkets have Nutrition Facts because the companies behind them are large and have large volumes. Being large isn't always the case, however. For example, Home Run Inn only has a handful of pizzerias but sells millions of dollars worth of frozen pizzas. Giordano's has around 44 pizzerias but maybe not enough frozen pizzas sales to require them to provide nutrition information for those pizzas. But that might change and may be one of the reasons why Giordano's says that it is going to start providing that kind of information sometime soon. But I suspect the new nutrition disclosure regulations out of Washington that apply to restaurants may be a bigger reason.

Peter

Peter,

I thought most frozen pizzas had Nutrition Facts.  Even most frozen dough balls have Nutrition Facts.  I did not about know the new nutrition disclosure regulations out of Washington that will apply to restaurants.  Hopefully that only applies to big restaurants with chains.

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