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Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« on: January 20, 2007, 11:04:38 AM »
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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 02:43:42 AM »
Great video. Here's my question to all. I used to do that many years ago about 28 when i was 15-16 years old, 43 now. I worked in a pizza shop and we made all the dough for the week on Monday. Kept in in the cooler all week and pulled it out as the orders came in. All the recipes and techniques i read here say to let the dough come to room temp for 2-3 hrs. Why is this? When i worked at the pizza shop we pulled the dough out of the fridge, threw flour on the peel, placed the dough in a bowl of flour and did just like the guy did in the video. I'm so confussed ???
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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 08:55:24 AM »
Bryan,

The most common reason given for the warm-up period is to prevent or minimize bubbling, which can occur in the finished crust if the dough is too cold when being shaped. The cutoff temperature above which this risk is reduced is about 50 degrees F, although I usually aim for around 60 degrees F. I have read that some pizza chains require that the dough be above 50 degrees F before using. But not all operators follow the rules. Some routinely use cold dough, especially if they are about to be slammed. Plus, they will dock the doughs--sometimes too aggressively--to reduce bubbling and, if necessary, use bubble poppers to deflate the bubbles that start to form in the crust. Some operators who shape the skins by hand also prefer to work with dough on the cool side because they find that it handles better. But that's not universal. Some operators find that a warm dough is easier to stretch and shape.

You didn't indicate where you worked, but some pizza operators intentionally try to achieve bubbling and blistering in their crusts. A lot of customers like the bubbles and blisters and, consequently, they are a differentiating factor for the pizza operator. They become a "signature" feature of their pizzas.

It's also useful to keep in mind that many cold fermented doughs, especially those that have been in the cooler for less than a day, will quite possibly have had little expansion because of the suppression of yeast activity while in the cooler. Allowing the dough balls to warm up, even if for only an hour or two or three, lets them expand and develop some gasses to produce a decent oven spring and a better texture. Of course, some skins are allowed to proof before using because of the type of pizza being made. Proofing is common, for example, with pan pizzas and some deep-dish pizzas and with Sicilian styles.

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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 02:42:39 PM »
Peter, I worked at Gargano's Pizzeria in East Petersburg PA. He's an Italian and he was very picky about the ingredients he used. The truck would deliver the goods on Monday mornings. I just got a pie from him yesterday (first one in about 10 years) and it's still fantastic. He uses a different cheese these days, now uses Grande cheese, i saw the big poster when i picked up the pie. It was a long time ago but i still remember quite a bit. We would load the big Hobart up and make the dough. When he said it was done we dumped it out onto the table, cut and weighed it out into 2 sizes, one for Med pies that would also be used for large boli or cut in half for small boil and the large size for large pie. We would roll them in a ball on the table still smooth, cover with some olive oil, place them on a rack and in the fridge they went. Order came in we opened the door of the fridge (that was under the marble top just like in the video) used the scraper to get it off the tray and made a pie with it. Don't know what the temp of fridge was. There were 4 doors in the fridge under the marble top pizza prep table. We would turn right around and open the door of the marble ovens and in they went. The dough was very easy to work with we cold. We worked the dough just like the guy did in the video. I'm going to try and talk to Joe sometime soon and see if he'll give up his dough recipe.  ;D He wasn't there yesterday.
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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 05:44:44 PM »
Bryan,

It's hard to tell from your description what kind of oven it was.  Is it marble floored, or just have a marble exterior?  Is it electric, gas, or wood?  Are there any moving parts to the oven like a conveyor or rotating platform?

I ask the last question because it's possible, at least with a conveyor oven and some rotary ovens, to place a cold pizza (dough) at the ledge of the oven and allow the dough to pre-warm before it reaches the full intensity of the oven's heat.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 06:28:01 PM »
This is a small corner pizza shop on main street in East Pete. We have many of these N.Y. style hand tossed pizza shops here in Lanc PA and most are on the coner of the street, they produce some fantastic pizza. Many of them that i buy pizza from are set up like this. Gas ovens with marble. You slide the pie off the peel onto the marble that's inside the ovens. The pie prep table has a marble top, sauce and cheese ontop with a fridge below for the dough. The table is right in front of the oven, about a 8-10 ft space. You make the pie and do a 180 open the door of the oven and onto the marble it goes. The temp IIRC was 550. I'll try and get a hold of Joe and see if he'll give up some info. I'll try and take some pics too. 
Here's a pic of what the ovens look like.
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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 06:48:40 PM »
Bryan,

That's fine.  If I had to guess, I would have guessed that you were talking about a marble floored oven (such as you were), and not just an oven built into a marble wall or something, but I wanted to be sure.  I mainly wanted to know if there was any way for the pizza to warm up prior to experiencing the full intensity of the oven's heat.

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 06:57:24 PM »
  I mainly wanted to know if there was any way for the pizza to warm up prior to experiencing the full intensity of the oven's heat.

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I have a pretty good memory except for names. Ok it was 28 years ago, but it's still very clear to me. There was no rise time that i remember. 2 of us would grab the huge bowl with the dough in and onto the table it went. Cut weighed and into the fridge. The new dough would start to be used on Tues or Wed once the previous weeks batch was gone.Taken out as needed and straight into the oven. Duno  ???
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Re: Dough Stretching Shaping Technique Video
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 07:12:35 PM »
I used to work for Little Caesar's many years ago, and when in a rush the dough didn't get proofed the full minimum of 30 minutes after shaping (which was also the time out of the cooler), so we placed the pizza at the very edge of the conveyor so that it could warm up under low heat for about 1-2 minutes before hitting the full heat.  Very few times were there bubbles if we stuck to this technique.  It was just enough time and heat to allow the air pockets near the surface to recongeal and the water in those pockets to evaporate.

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