Author Topic: first time buying cultures  (Read 11567 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline benny

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 12
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2007, 06:12:05 PM »
by the way i ordered, the italian cultures from sourdo and start there.


Offline pizzanapoletana

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 964
  • Location: London -UK
  • Pizza Napoletana as it was made in 1730!
    • Forno Napoletano - Pizza Ovens
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2007, 07:51:53 PM »
Thanks Scott to pop in...

I have written a long message, but then I thought that someone like that do not deserve a long answer.

He do not even realised that people advising him would most probably refer back to something I have previuosly written (e.g. Petezza is very good but not always has provided long references, and for instance if is something he has tested after being probed by something I said, not always this was written or very clear- Peter no bad feeling, but I have often pointed this out). There have not been many (if at all any) professionals on this forum before me, but again someone may miss that...

Benny,

No problem, as I said I will keep warning people of "suspicious" people/Products/brands. Then is up to the reader to make a choice, who they want to believe...

Ciao and have good journey with your starters.

Offline David

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 966
  • What’s So Funny ‘Bout Pizza Love and Understanding
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2007, 07:54:39 PM »
As someone who has followed the Neapolitan thread and pretty much developed my Dough making skill from tips and advice provided almost entirely from Marco,I feel he has defended his position far more than necessary.
It is common knowledge that he has a Book in the works and has to protect that property and his relationship with prospective publishers.
IMO he has been very generous with his flow of informed tips and insight.
It seems that all too often people come to this Forum and want the Magic Pill - all the answers,no effort,sweet success.These are usually the ones who find it distasteful when they do not get the desired response.
If you really want to know the "Secrets" it is all out there for you.It does however take some effort.I know which ovens I would like to use .I know the make and model of the mixer.I discovered the brands names of  ingredients used by  legendary Neapolitans,should I choose to use them.
Marco never told me any of this,I went out and searched,but I would bet money that I wouldn't be as happy with my pizza today without the input  from him.
If I was a commercial opperator I also wouldn't divulge my methods and techniques.Like Bianco (as  has been quoted )UPN has put out a "Recipe" that folks can try at home also,but you might as well buy a packet of frozen dough if you think you'll get anything resembling a true Neapolitan Pizza from your home oven with it.I think gratitude is due rather than the continued negative responses.
              David
If you're looking for a date... go to the Supermarket.If you're looking for a wife....go to the Farmers market

Online Pete-zza

  • Lifetime Member
  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 23456
  • Location: Texas
  • Always learning
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2007, 08:10:44 PM »
(e.g. Petezza is very good but not always has provided long references, and for instance if is something he has tested after being probed by something I said, not always this was written or very clear- Peter no bad feeling, but I have often pointed this out).

Marco,

I don't have any idea about what you are referring to. I cover a lot of territory and it is possible that I may have missed something as I move from one topic to another. Please feel free to send me a PM if there is something you feel I should have covered but didn't. If others feel the same, please send me your PMs also. I may forget things from time to time but it is not my practice to dodge issues.

Peter


Offline scott r

  • Supporting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3101
  • Age: 44
  • Location: boston
  • I Love Pizzafreaks!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2007, 08:34:49 PM »
im sorry to have touched off a storm.

that wasnt my intention.



Benny, don't be sorry.  you were just asking a legitimate question, and then somebody had to come in and start throwing insults around.  That is not your fault.

To everyone, I apologise for the storm, but I find it very hard to sit back and not say anything when any member of this forum is personally attacked.

Offline rdb

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 25
  • I Love Pizza!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2007, 09:15:31 PM »
  I too have just begun using the Sourdo "Italian Starters" It took a lot of love to get them from the package to foaming, frothy festivals of life on my counter, far more interesting than sea monkeys...lol
  Of the few pizzas I have made with them, the guests preferred the starter pies to the IDY/ADY ones...nuff said.
 I for one would prefer Marco to tell me I was doing something wrong, and not tell what, to him not saying anything at all. I can glean more from his quips, than a lifetime of reading boards. I might have to work at it, but the Ah Ha! moment is worth it. Unfortunately, I do not have a woodfired stove yet (I'm working on it).
 I can't wait for his book.
 Pete-zza, don't worry about the comment from Marco, you do yeoman's work around here, and I think Marco was just (in his mysterious ways) giving a nudge nudge, gimmee a little credit more often kindof thing,  not a poke.

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2007, 09:34:02 PM »
It's funny how many people are replying to this thread over and over in defense of Marco...but in their reply they are pretty much agreeing with the points I am trying to make...

There is no magic... there is only skill of the maker.  Therefore, what is the harm in making everything else transparent?  *light bulb*??? Nope, still didn't come on I guess...

Ah yes, the infamous book that I have been hearing about for 2 years now... Yet Marco in a previous post says how someone else published a book themselves by basically compiling his posts... but yet no publisher has interest when it comes from him?  Odd.

And David, this is directly to you.  You don't know me.  You don't even have the faintest idea how long I've been making pizza/bread.  So don't accuse me of "coming to this board and wanting a magic pill."  don't let the post count fool you bud, I've been around here longer than you and probably been at it longer than you as well.  So get your facts straight before you generalize me of being some lazy n00b that wants an instruction sheet. 

Edit: Back to scott's original reply, he mentioned all the criticism of marco of late.  This is what results when people with lower tolerance to BS finally get enough... they start speaking out against the general opinion... But as what usually happens with things like this (and like...oh, I dunno, presidential approval ratings) the rest of the population eventually starts to see it as well.. ;-)

- aba



« Last Edit: February 08, 2007, 09:53:09 PM by abatardi »
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline scott r

  • Supporting Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3101
  • Age: 44
  • Location: boston
  • I Love Pizzafreaks!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2007, 10:38:56 PM »

don't let the post count fool you bud, I've been around here longer than you and probably been at it longer than you as well.  So get your facts straight before you generalize me of being some lazy n00b that wants an instruction sheet. 


I doubt you have been at it longer than David.  He is a (retired) professional chef and you are 25 years old.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2007, 10:42:34 PM by scott r »

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2007, 11:46:02 PM »
I doubt you have been at it longer than David.  He is a (retired) professional chef and you are 25 years old.

Edit: nevermind.  pointless.

- aba
« Last Edit: February 09, 2007, 01:10:58 AM by abatardi »
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!


Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2007, 11:49:29 PM »
xxx
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline Bryan S

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Lancaster, PA
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2007, 12:52:35 AM »
Can't we all just get along here? My Italian starters came today from Sour Dough Dot com. Marco this is for you. Thanks, Thanks a lot. 8) I have been using cultures from Ed Wood and his Co. for almost 2 years, and yes, i have his book, so no jumping on the bandwagon from Bryan. I learned about sour D from a BBQ forum, go figure.  :o I'm a newbie here on the pie forum, so I'm not really respected much, whatever. Yeah i have much to learn about pizza, but i bet i could Wow you with my BBQ.  ;) Thanks to all here for posting what you know, I'll do the same when i can. Thanks again, Bryan
Making great pizza and learning new things everyday.

Offline kiwipete

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 253
  • Location: New Zealand
  • I Love Pizza!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2007, 06:46:58 AM »
Aw shucks, Abatardi...

I'm just a simple country boy from Kiwi country, but if I read this right, you seem to think that Marco is not sharing enough knowledge with the folk on this interweb forum...

And by talking the way that you do, you're gonna make him spill the beans right???  (excuse me while I just pick myself up from the floor ..  I laughed so much that I fell outa my ole rocking chair and dropped my corncob pipe)

My momma used to tell me: "son, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar..."  Guess your momma never told you..


Offline MWTC

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 517
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2007, 12:45:45 PM »
That's a non-talking fly. Forget that fly. Just flies in circles.

MWTC  :chef:

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2007, 02:44:15 PM »
My momma used to tell me: "son, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar..."  Guess your momma never told you..

Haha actually now that you mention it, I used that exact same quote TO Marco once after a particularly interesting exchange. 

- aba

« Last Edit: February 09, 2007, 02:50:48 PM by abatardi »
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2007, 04:00:22 PM »
Aaron, not long ago asking on how to activate and wash a starter ......

Marco, not long ago, giving rave reviews on a book that taught him how to make pizza:

"As a Neapolitan leaving abroad, I was looking for help in recreating the real thing! Then I found this book. The history of the Pizza is full of detailed information and the description of ingredients and methods scientifically precise. A must have book for anyone interested in baking his own pizza or knowing more about this wonderful food." - Marco Parente, in a 5 star review of book "Pizza Napoletana", Amazon UK, Jan 15th, 2004 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1580080855/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/026-9594194-0858003

- aba

Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline David

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 966
  • What’s So Funny ‘Bout Pizza Love and Understanding
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2007, 04:29:23 PM »
And David, this is directly to you.  You don't know me.  You don't even have the faintest idea how long I've been making pizza/bread.  So don't accuse me of "coming to this board and wanting a magic pill."  don't let the post count fool you bud, I've been around here longer than you and probably been at it longer than you as well.  So get your facts straight before you generalize me of being some lazy n00b that wants an instruction sheet.

My comments were written in general terms to what seems to be a prevalent attitude and  not aimed specifically at you.If I were addressing you I would have been courteous enough to do so (As you have with me ).How long someone has been a member of this forum,making Pizza,or has been alive is in fact of little interest to me.
Manners maketh man.
You don't know me either young man,so I think it is a little presumptuous to refer to me as "Bud".
Wishing you continued success.
                                          David

[/quote]It seems that all too often people come to this Forum and want the Magic Pill - all the answers,no effort,sweet success.These are usually the ones who find it distasteful when they do not get the desired response.
[/quote]
If you're looking for a date... go to the Supermarket.If you're looking for a wife....go to the Farmers market

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2007, 04:39:34 PM »
My comments were written in general terms to what seems to be a prevalent attitude and  not aimed specifically at you.If I were addressing you I would have been courteous enough to do so (As you have with me ).

With that, I believe I owe you an apology.  It just sounded like you were trying to throw me into a bucket.  As others have pointed out you are a retired chef and just for that I have much respect for you.  I'm very sorry that I got the wrong impression from your post and offended you in any way.

- Aaron
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!


Offline itsinthesauce

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 446
  • This is a sickness.
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2007, 06:16:09 PM »
Finally, the hatchet is buried. I've learned over the years that "One of us is not as smart as all of us". One may not agree all of the time, but one always will learn from the experience.

Pizza on!

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2007, 06:24:01 PM »
Finally, the hatchet is buried. I've learned over the years that "One of us is not as smart as all of us". One may not agree all of the time, but one always will learn from the experience.

Pizza on!

Sounds like one of eBay's old slogans... "the power of all of us"... haha, i like it.

- aba
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline pizzanapoletana

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 964
  • Location: London -UK
  • Pizza Napoletana as it was made in 1730!
    • Forno Napoletano - Pizza Ovens
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2007, 04:53:23 AM »
Re edited:

Marco, not long ago, giving rave reviews on a book that taught him how to make pizza:

"As a Neapolitan leaving abroad, I was looking for help in recreating the real thing! Then I found this book. The history of the Pizza is full of detailed information and the description of ingredients and methods scientifically precise. A must have book for anyone interested in baking his own pizza or knowing more about this wonderful food." - Marco Parente, in a 5 star review of book "Pizza Napoletana", Amazon UK, Jan 15th, 2004 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1580080855/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/026-9594194-0858003

- aba



Aaron,

What are you assuming by that?

That I learned anything from that book??? Ah ah, you make me laugh how wrong you are young man.. I do not need to prove anything to you.. AT 13-14 I was behind an oven, for few if at any "LIRE"

By the way I was trying to be the first to review at least a book on amazon as to win a voucher.. I know not the best of the objective, but was studying and book vouchers are good things...  Yeah the review would have sound better if I said : " I have now found an interest in reading what people abroad think of Pizza Neapolitan and found all crap, but this seams to be a bit better, please give me a voucher... :-D (you may notice that all my three reviews in Amazon are positive first reviews, in response to "Be the first to review this book...", two were done on the same date when the new semester was starting :-[)
Oh  :o, I forgot to mention that the primary Italian book used by Pamela Jones for her research had been printed by my Uncles at one of the oldest Typography in Naples, and as usual I probably received a free copy 9 years earlier..... So I am guilty of writing a blown up review??? Apologies to whom bought the book because of that, but At least they may have understood that Pizza Napoletana is not the one sold in John's, among others as one..

In addition it was the one of the only two books available in English for "anyone" interested in that food... better then anything written before, and of course it did reference to the disciplinare that at the time was the best scientific - public available source on pizza napoletana....  On amazon we are not really talking about Baking science, are we??? Each forum has a proper audience and amazon has a general audience, is not "a Pizza Book" audience only as this or other forums alike where I have written for the past 4 years... At the time I wasn't even interested in divulging anything at all about pizza napoletana....

I wish it was possible to learn from a book or by reading the internet, but IT IS NOT and you need to realize that. So I rather do not add to this confusing and measure the informations I give out...

I just came back from a weekend trip to Naples where I met a member of this forum... I took him around a couple of my friends, where I have learned the true stuff, way before I started reading in English.....

You are laughable Aaron... I am tired of people that write, hiding behind a keyboard... You are not happy about how much I share? Though!!!! This, as others, is a free forum where members share or not what they like, and readers decides if it is worth to read... You read all my post apparently, so if sometimes ago you thought I was annoying, why did you keep reading??? (even going all the trouble to search my name on other sites ???  :-D - And if you are wondering, as I said before, my biography on Ed's Activation booklets is quite wrong as it was written by Ed's out of an exchange of emails in lines of: "can you briefly tell me what do you do?... I did not know it would be published otherwise I would have been more detailed..)

You got a lot of learning to do, so instead of wasting time on this discussions, keep going, you may get there and replicate A16 pizza...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 08:00:38 AM by pizzanapoletana »

Offline MWTC

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 517
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2007, 10:25:27 AM »
Again alot of words and no help to the group.

MWTC :chef:

This is a forum where we seek answers from each other and share to help others when we can. Not a platform to emote and pontificate. Help or don't be surprised by members that call you on their take of your trail of posts. Help us, don't try to lead us around by the nose. I understand once burnt twice shy. But now is the time to help.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2007, 10:09:46 AM by MWTC »

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2007, 11:28:12 PM »
By the way I was trying to be the first to review at least a book on amazon as to win a voucher..

suuuuuuure  ::)

- aba
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline abatardi

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 432
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Santa Clara, CA
  • It's MOOPS!
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2007, 11:29:45 PM »
You are laughable Aaron... I am tired of people that write, hiding behind a keyboard...

Come to Bay Area any time you want there Mark.  I'll tell you the same thing in person.   :-D

- aba
Make me a bicycle CLOWN!

Offline Bryan S

  • Registered User
  • Posts: 496
  • Location: Lancaster, PA
Re: first time buying cultures
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2007, 12:04:40 AM »
Thanks again Marco for the cultures, can't wait to activate them, and for this thread to die.  ;)
Making great pizza and learning new things everyday.