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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2007, 09:34:28 PM »
After further tinkering with my recipe I came up with something really good. This is by far the best yet. It is crisp on the outside and soft and chewy on the inside. It has a very nice texture with plenty of voids.

The new recipe
20 oz flour by weight (Harvest king or King Arthur bread flour)
12 oz ice cold water by weight
1 tsp sea salt
2 tsp raw white honey
1 tsp IDY yeast

2 day refrigerated ferment.

This one was made with King Arthur bread flour
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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2007, 11:32:24 PM »
pizzaisgood,

Very nice job. Your dough formulation now looks nicely balanced.

Your choice of raw white honey is also a good one. One of our members, Les, was most enthusiastic about using raw white honey, as he explained at this post: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,1931.msg17060.html#msg17060 (Reply 2).

Peter

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 11:42:30 PM »
GREAT JOB.  :chef:

The puffiness and voids are great in the first photos.

Making some tomorrow.

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2007, 07:37:41 AM »
GREAT JOB.  :chef:

The puffiness and voids are great in the first photos.

Making some tomorrow.

Let me know what you think. Let it ferment for 2-4 days in the fridge. It really brings out the flavor.


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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2007, 09:26:36 AM »
pizzaisgood,

Out of curiosity, can you tell me what relationship you used between the weight of dough and the size of the pizza? For example, what were the dimensions of your rectangular pizza in the earlier photo and how much dough did you need to make it? If you have a correlation between an amount of dough and a round pizza of a particular diameter, that information would also be helpful. I estimate that your dough formulation makes about 33 ounces of dough.

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2007, 12:07:35 PM »
Let it ferment for 2-4 days in the fridge. It really brings out the flavor.


I have broken through to a higher level of flavor production in My dough production using this technique. Try using a 20 hour preferment dough (A 50% Bigga ) and mix into the balance of your recipe. Then refrigerate as usual with the 2-4 days in the fridge. I think it will suprise you.

So for your recipe use; 10 oz of Flour, 5 oz of Water, 1/2 tsp IDY. Mix these together, it will be extremely stiff, so be careful if you are using a mixer, mix it till it just starts to come together and finish it by hand. Just knead it till it has no dry flour. Put it into deep bowl and cover it with plastic wrap. And place it in a cool place for 20-22 hours. It will smell of alcohol when it is that old. Proceed with the rest of your ingredients and knead for 10-15 min. Refrigerate for 2-4 days. And enjoy the upgrade in Flavor.

MWTC  :chef:

I am using All Trumps Flour and have found it to be exceptional with this technique.
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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2007, 01:21:26 PM »
pizzaisgood,

Out of curiosity, can you tell me what relationship you used between the weight of dough and the size of the pizza? For example, what were the dimensions of your rectangular pizza in the earlier photo and how much dough did you need to make it? If you have a correlation between an amount of dough and a round pizza of a particular diameter, that information would also be helpful. I estimate that your dough formulation makes about 33 ounces of dough.

Peter

Peter, you are just about right on the weight of the dough. My recipe makes two 16.5-17 ounce dough balls and the rectangle pan is 13.25" x 9.25". My pizza screens are 16", however I have gotten away from using them lately. I often use a 14" pizza pan in addition to my rectangle pan. I don't turn the dough out or stretch it with flour when I use a pizza pan either. I just take the dough from the bowl and carefully press it out into a pizza pan that is lightly coated in olive oil. I hope this helps.

Thanks Adam

Adam
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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2007, 02:23:02 PM »
Adam,

Thank you very much. The information you provided is very helpful.

As you may know, I like to convert dough recipes, especially good ones, to baker's percent format. The information you provided should be very helpful for this purpose. However, before I proceed, can you tell me whether the raw white honey you use is solid or liquid? Also, is there any nutrition information on the jar that gives a typical serving, such as one teaspoon or tablespoon weighs "x" grams or ounces? There may well be little difference between the honey you are using and regular honey from the standpoint of a volume-weight conversion, but the only way to know for sure is to get the numbers for the raw white honey.

Thank you.

Peter
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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2007, 03:23:41 PM »
Peter, here is a photo of the nutrition facts label. I would consider the honey to be a solid as it is very thick and certainly not like regular honey. As shown in the picture it does not run off of the spoon.

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2007, 03:48:11 PM »
I have broken through to a higher level of flavor production in My dough production using this technique. Try using a 20 hour preferment dough (A 50% Bigga ) and mix into the balance of your recipe. Then refrigerate as usual with the 2-4 days in the fridge. I think it will suprise you.

So for your recipe use; 10 oz of Flour, 5 oz of Water, 1/2 tsp IDY. Mix these together, it will be extremely stiff, so be careful if you are using a mixer, mix it till it just starts to come together and finish it by hand. Just knead it till it has no dry flour. Put it into deep bowl and cover it with plastic wrap. And place it in a cool place for 20-22 hours. It will smell of alcohol when it is that old. Proceed with the rest of your ingredients and knead for 10-15 min. Refrigerate for 2-4 days. And enjoy the upgrade in Flavor.

MWTC  :chef:

I am using All Trumps Flour and have found it to be exceptional with this technique.

MWTC, I have been considering using this method for a while now but just have not gotten around to doing so. I will have to give it a try.

Adam

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2007, 04:42:04 PM »
Adam,

Thanks for the photos showing the nutrition information and the flow characteristics of the raw white honey. The conversion data for the honey from the first photo (1 T. = 21 g.) is the standard one used by the USDA and shown at the nutritiondata.com website. It is also the conversion data that is built into the enhanced dough calculating tool at http://www.pizzamaking.com/expanded_calculator.html.

I ran your dough numbers through the enhanced dough calculating tool and came up with the ingredient quantities presented below. I used a dough weight of 32.7965 ounces in the tool, which is my estimate of the total weight of all the ingredients used in your dough. While I was at it, I entered a bowl residue compensation factor of 1.5% to compensate for minor dough losses in the bowl. The actual dough weight of the dough batch coming out of the bowl is likely to be a bit less than the 33.29 ounces shown below, but still be above 16.5 ounces for each of the two dough balls made from the total dough batch. Here is the formulation produced by the tool:

Flour (100%):
Water (60%):
IDY (0.53125%):
Salt (0.98437%):
Honey (2.46666%):
Total (163.98228%):
575.51 g  |  20.3 oz | 1.27 lbs
345.3 g  |  12.18 oz | 0.76 lbs
3.06 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.02 tsp | 0.34 tbsp
5.67 g | 0.2 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.01 tsp | 0.34 tbsp
14.2 g | 0.5 oz | 0.03 lbs | 2.03 tsp | 0.68 tbsp
943.73 g | 33.29 oz | 2.08 lbs | TF = N/A
Note: Dough ball weight used in the tool equals 32.7965 oz. The bowl residue compensation equals 1.5%

Based on the dimensions you gave me for your rectangular pan, and assuming a dough ball weight of 16.5-17 ounces, I calculated a thickness factor of between 0.134625 and 0.138705 (e.g., the dough ball weight, for example, 16.5 ounces, divided by the surface area of your pan, which is 13.25” x 9.25” = 122.5625 sq. in., equals 0.134625). For those who would like to use the enhanced dough calculating tool with a thickness factor rather than a dough weight, as I did to produce the above formulation, I think using the average of the above two numbers, or 0.13667, should be sufficient. That number will work for any size rectangular pan, not just the size you used. The tool will ask for the length and width of the particular size pan the user intends to use. The same thickness factor will also work for a pizza shape other than rectangular, that is, a round pizza. I estimate that 16.5-17 ounces of dough with a thickness factor of 0.13667 will produce a round pizza of about 12.5”, give or take a fraction of an inch. Using a thickness factor of 0.13667 and selecting any other size (diameter) of a round pizza, along with entering all the baker’s percents noted above (and a bowl residue compensating percent if desired), will yield the required quantities of ingredients for that particular size pizza. The finished crust characteristics should be almost identical to those of your rectangular pizza. The only difference should be the shape of the pizza. If anyone is interested, I can give an example of how to use the tool for any desired size or shape of pizza (rectangular and round only).

In actual practice, it is likely that the amount of honey used will be a bit greater than indicated in the dough formulation given above since the calculations presume level teaspoons of honey. More likely it will be rounded teaspoons, although with a solid or semi-solid honey, it is easier to get level teaspoons. But, if one is so inclined, using a baker’s percent for the honey that is a bit above the roughly 2.5% specified in the above formulation, for example, 3%, should be an acceptable entry.

Peter

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2007, 07:08:24 PM »
Peter, thank you very much for converting my recipe to bakers percent's. Now if I open up that pizza shop that's in the back of my mind I can easily convert my recipe to 50 lb batches! Also the tsp of honey is a rounded tsp as it is difficult to measure with complete accuracy due to the stickiness.

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Re: My american style pizza recipe with photo
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2007, 08:45:21 PM »
Adam,

My pleasure.

If you ever decide to start a pizza business, the size of your mixer is more likely to determine how much dough you make and how often. For example, if you use an 80-qt. commercial Hobart mixer, you can use a full 50-lb. bag of flour. With your dough formulation, but increasing the honey to 3%, you should be able to make about 82 pounds of dough. With a 60-qt. Hobart, you might start with 32 pounds of flour, which will produce about 54 pounds of dough with your formulation. With a smaller mixer, you would have to do multiple batches to get to the same volume. But, whichever way you go, you have the tools to determine what your ingredient needs are. Unless you plan to be an artisan pizza operator, with an affluent customer base, you may have to switch to a lower cost form of honey, perhaps in dry form, than the raw white honey. 

Peter