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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #125 on: February 03, 2014, 10:08:44 PM »
I look forward to pictures of your results!! Btw. What is your favorite pizza in the bloomington and surrounding areas? I'm a hard core Grady's fan myself.


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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #126 on: February 03, 2014, 10:38:49 PM »
This was the formula I was going to try next.

AP Flour (100%):    504.53 g  |  17.8 oz | 1.11 lbs
Water (62%):    312.81 g  |  11.03 oz | 0.69 lbs
IDY (.8%):    4.04 g | 0.14 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.34 tsp | 0.45 tbsp
Salt (.7%):    3.53 g | 0.12 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.74 tsp | 0.25 tbsp
Corn Oil (7%):    35.32 g | 1.25 oz | 0.08 lbs | 7.85 tsp | 2.62 tbsp
Sugar (5%):    25.23 g | 0.89 oz | 0.06 lbs | 6.33 tsp | 2.11 tbsp
Wheat Germ (6%):    30.27 g | 1.07 oz | 0.07 lbs | 8.7 tsp 
Cinnamon (.2%):    1.01 g | 0.04 oz | 0 lbs | 0.27 tsp
Total (182.06%):   918.54 g | 32.4 oz | 2.03 lbs | TF = 0.15
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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #127 on: February 04, 2014, 09:18:04 AM »
I will try to venture over to champaign sometime and get some pictures. I'll also ask some questions and see what I can come up with.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2014, 11:49:01 AM »
Pictures would be great, there's not a lot out there on the web.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2014, 07:25:22 PM »
I look forward to pictures of your results!! Btw. What is your favorite pizza in the bloomington and surrounding areas? I'm a hard core Grady's fan myself.

not sure if this was addressed to me.


I moved out of Bloomington at the end of 1989. 

now i live in southern il, near St Louis.
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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #130 on: February 05, 2014, 06:16:47 PM »
I'm going to cook it in a smaller pan this time (15.25x10.25). I've also decided to go even higher with the hydration. I remember the real dough used to almost spread itself out in the pan and the workers would just finish pushing it out to the edge.

Flour (100%):    349.94 g  |  12.34 oz | 0.77 lbs
Water (65%):    227.46 g  |  8.02 oz | 0.5 lbs
IDY (.8%):    2.8 g | 0.1 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.93 tsp | 0.31 tbsp
Salt (.9%):    3.15 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.56 tsp | 0.19 tbsp
Corn Oil (8%):    28 g | 0.99 oz | 0.06 lbs | 6.22 tsp | 2.07 tbsp
Sugar (7%):    24.5 g | 0.86 oz | 0.05 lbs | 6.14 tsp | 2.05 tbsp
Wheat Germ (8%):    28 g | 0.99 oz | 0.06 lbs
Cinnamon (.25%):    0.87 g | 0.03 oz | 0 lbs 
Total (189.95%):   664.72 g | 23.45 oz | 1.47 lbs | TF = 0.15

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #131 on: February 05, 2014, 06:21:34 PM »
I look forward to the results!!

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #132 on: February 09, 2014, 10:28:12 AM »
I was looking at diffrent pizza styles and came across the thread. "Detroit style buddy's and something"  reminded me of garcias. Do you think garcias was a detroit style?

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #133 on: February 09, 2014, 12:12:19 PM »
Garcia's is a little different than Detroit pizza or a classic Sicilian pizza but it looks a lot like both of them.

So this is what I made yesterday, even with cutting the wheat germ way back it's still not right. I don't think the wheat germ or cinnamon belongs at all in this pizza. I think the unique texture of the crust is just a matter of getting the right hydration/oil/sugar ratio and I'm going to approach it like that from this point forward. I think next time I also want to try cooking this in a deeper pan. The sauce was pretty close this time. I used:

1 28oz can great value crushed tomatoes
4.5 oz great value tomato paste
1/2 tsp oregano
1/2 tsp basil
1/4 tsp mccormick's italian seasoning
1/8 tsp garlic powder
1/2 tsp salt
1/4 tsp pepper
pinch of red pepper flakes

The Gutbuster side of the pizza was really awesome. I really want to get the crust right now. Like I said before, Garvey's pizza factory sausage recipe works great for this pizza.


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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #134 on: February 09, 2014, 12:23:12 PM »
I'll take  slice of that!!

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #135 on: February 10, 2014, 01:07:23 AM »
I worked for Garcia's for over four years in the 80's, two as store manager.  Unfortunately I did not get the "emergency use" recipes for the sauce and dough.  I have been kicking myself for years for not having the foresight to get these recipes.  Now that I found wildwood's recipes I plan on trying them.  They do sound rather close to what I remember, except that I was thinking the sauce had a couple of additional spices.

I do remember the amounts of the main ingredients used for each.  Obviously they make an awful lot, but can be adapted for wildwood's recipes.

Dough: 1 bag slurry mix, 50lbs flour, 3.5 gallons water, 7 quarts vegetable oil.

I just re-read this thread and found this. Assuming my sugar, salt and yeast amounts I've been using are in the right ballpark, I get something like this:

AP Flour (100%):    22680 g  |  800 oz | 50 lbs
Water (58%):    13154.4 g  |  464 oz | 29 lbs
IDY (1%):    226.8 g | 8 oz | 0.5 lbs | 25.1 tbsp | 1.57 cups
Salt (1%):    226.8 g | 8 oz | 0.5 lbs | 22.24 tbsp | 1.39 cups
Vegetable Oil (27%):    6123.6 g | 216 oz | 13.5 lbs | 449.44 tbsp | 28.09 cups
Sugar (7%):    1587.6 g | 56 oz | 3.5 lbs | 132.74 tbsp | 8.3 cups
Total (194%):   43999.2 g | 1552 oz | 97 lbs | TF = N/A

That seems like a lot of oil to me.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #136 on: February 14, 2014, 10:33:28 PM »
Mixed up this tonight. I'm going to give it another go Monday. It was really difficult to incorporate that much oil in my usual fashion (adding the oil last). I eventually got it all in after a lot of working by hand. It looks like a normal dough ball now.

9x13
AP Flour (100%):    256.47 g  |  9.05 oz | 0.57 lbs
Water (58%):    148.75 g  |  5.25 oz | 0.33 lbs
IDY (1%):    2.56 g | 0.09 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.85 tsp | 0.28 tbsp
Salt (1%):    2.56 g | 0.09 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.75 tsp | 0.25 tbsp
Vegetable Oil (27%):    69.25 g | 2.44 oz | 0.15 lbs | 5.08 tbsp | 0.32 cups
Sugar (7%):    17.95 g | 0.63 oz | 0.04 lbs | 4.5 tsp | 1.5 tbsp
Total (194%):   497.54 g | 17.55 oz | 1.1 lbs | TF = 0.15

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #137 on: February 18, 2014, 12:37:32 AM »
I'm getting close with this. This tasted a lot like Garcia's. Next time I'm going thicker because this was thinner than the real thing. The crust was slightly overcooked on this but it got crunchy the same way Garcia's does when they overcook it. My house also smells like the mall used to!

It's going to take a couple more tries to get the right thickness and messing with oven temp to get it to all cook evenly. I guess the secret ingredient is oil, a lot of it.

 

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #138 on: February 18, 2014, 12:56:58 AM »
wow that looks awesome!  You getting that sweet taste in your sauce? is it close?  I remember their tables having framed plum tomato labels on the walls....I always thought they used crushed plums!
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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #139 on: February 18, 2014, 01:02:38 AM »
With that much paste, it's plenty sweet. I'm just using already crushed tomatoes because they're picked more ripe than whole tomatoes and I won't end up aerating the sauce like if I made it their way. It tastes pretty close to what I remember but it's been probably 12 years since I've eaten a slice.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #140 on: March 04, 2014, 08:46:10 PM »
I'm going to cook it in a smaller pan this time (15.25x10.25). I've also decided to go even higher with the hydration. I remember the real dough used to almost spread itself out in the pan and the workers would just finish pushing it out to the edge.

Flour (100%):    349.94 g  |  12.34 oz | 0.77 lbs
Water (65%):    227.46 g  |  8.02 oz | 0.5 lbs
IDY (.8%):    2.8 g | 0.1 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.93 tsp | 0.31 tbsp
Salt (.9%):    3.15 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.56 tsp | 0.19 tbsp
Corn Oil (8%):    28 g | 0.99 oz | 0.06 lbs | 6.22 tsp | 2.07 tbsp
Sugar (7%):    24.5 g | 0.86 oz | 0.05 lbs | 6.14 tsp | 2.05 tbsp
Wheat Germ (8%):    28 g | 0.99 oz | 0.06 lbs
Cinnamon (.25%):    0.87 g | 0.03 oz | 0 lbs 
Total (189.95%):   664.72 g | 23.45 oz | 1.47 lbs | TF = 0.15
I was going to suggest substituting cardamom for cinnamon,but maybe I was thinking Papa Del's....

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #141 on: March 04, 2014, 08:48:42 PM »
Too much wheat germ, I'll reduce it by two thirds next time. It turned out pretty dense because of it but it did have the right taste. I think I'll up the oil content next time too. There was also too much paste in the sauce, I'll reduce by half next time. Garvey's pizza factory sausage worked great for this though. This style of pizza is pretty filling, so my progress on this will probably be slow. Maybe once a month.
That LOOKS real good. Don't know if I'd remember the taste of the original Garcia's.......probably.


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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #142 on: March 04, 2014, 10:28:07 PM »
That LOOKS real good. Don't know if I'd remember the taste of the original Garcia's.......probably.

Oh you'll remember it. Getting close brought up all kinds of lost memories. My last attempt was super close, just need to re-arrange my oven so the top cooks before the bottom gets too crispy. I'll do another attempt in a week or so.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2014, 10:39:59 PM »
Made this again today, I forgot to get an after picture until we were almost done eating. It came out really nice, I'm at the point now where I need other people to bake this and tell me what they think. I think the crust is pretty perfect and the sauce is fairly close, but it's been over 12 years since I've had Garcia's so I want to make sure I remember right.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #144 on: March 08, 2014, 10:22:50 AM »
Made this again today, I forgot to get an after picture until we were almost done eating. It came out really nice, I'm at the point now where I need other people to bake this and tell me what they think. I think the crust is pretty perfect and the sauce is fairly close, but it's been over 12 years since I've had Garcia's so I want to make sure I remember right.
I will give this a shot this week. Looks great to me!!

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #145 on: March 08, 2014, 12:17:50 PM »
It's a little tricky to bake, the crust bakes fast so you have to get the top cooked as soon as possible. I cooked this on on the very top shelf of my oven with no stone. The gutbuster side of this pizza was so heavy that I had to leave it in the pan because I was afraid the middle would fall through if I took it out.

That's in line with the real thing though, Garcia's always cut the slices in the pan (with an auger) and served straight from it under the warmer.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #146 on: March 11, 2014, 01:38:37 AM »
I upped the salt a little the last time I made this. The current formula is:

9x13
Flour (100%):    242.79 g  |  8.56 oz | 0.54 lbs
Water (58%):    140.82 g  |  4.97 oz | 0.31 lbs
IDY (1%):    2.43 g | 0.09 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.81 tsp | 0.27 tbsp
Salt (1.3%):    3.16 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.93 tsp | 0.31 tbsp
Corn Oil (27%):    65.55 g | 2.31 oz | 0.14 lbs | 4.86 tbsp | 0.3 cups
Sugar (7%):    17 g | 0.6 oz | 0.04 lbs | 4.26 tsp | 1.42 tbsp
Total (194.3%):   471.74 g | 16.64 oz | 1.04 lbs | TF = 0.16

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #147 on: March 12, 2014, 08:35:46 AM »
I upped the salt a little the last time I made this. The current formula is:

9x13
Flour (100%): 242.79 g  |  8.56 oz | 0.54 lbs
Water (58%): 140.82 g  |  4.97 oz | 0.31 lbs
IDY (1%): 2.43 g | 0.09 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.81 tsp | 0.27 tbsp
Salt (1.3%): 3.16 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.93 tsp | 0.31 tbsp
Corn Oil (27%): 65.55 g | 2.31 oz | 0.14 lbs | 4.86 tbsp | 0.3 cups
Sugar (7%): 17 g | 0.6 oz | 0.04 lbs | 4.26 tsp | 1.42 tbsp
Total (194.3%):471.74 g | 16.64 oz | 1.04 lbs | TF = 0.16
Making your dough today. Did you let it sit for any amount of time or was this a same day dough?

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #148 on: March 12, 2014, 10:56:25 AM »
Making your dough today. Did you let it sit for any amount of time or was this a same day dough?

I've been doing it as a 24 hour dough. Overnight in the fridge and then I pull it out about 4 hours before I bake it.

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Re: Garcia's Pizza
« Reply #149 on: March 12, 2014, 01:12:45 PM »
I've been doing it as a 24 hour dough. Overnight in the fridge and then I pull it out about 4 hours before I bake it.
dough is made. I'll wait 24 hours or more. Temp baked at and time?